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> Increasing clutch cable transaxle pulley diameter
HalfMoon
post Dec 23 2020, 07:55 PM
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Has anyone ever experimented with increasing the diameter of the transaxle clutch cable pulley?
Obviously the housing would have to be modified that much goes without saying.
My wondering on this idea would be to shorten the "throw" at the pedal with the hope of increasing shift speed (I've converted to a cable shift).
Direct experience with this modification very much sought.
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post Dec 26 2020, 10:45 AM
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An eccentric wheel would do what you are looking for. It's not a bad idea
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post Dec 26 2020, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE(mb911 @ Dec 26 2020, 12:45 PM) *

An eccentric wheel would do what you are looking for. It's not a bad idea


Similar to the 944 "lobe" mentioned earlier in the thread?
I suppose that was what I was wondering about initially, the idea that the pulley could somehow make an affect on the "throw". I was remiss in explaining my thoughts more thoroughly.
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post Dec 26 2020, 11:55 AM
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QUOTE(HalfMoon @ Dec 26 2020, 12:03 PM) *

QUOTE(mb911 @ Dec 26 2020, 12:45 PM) *

An eccentric wheel would do what you are looking for. It's not a bad idea


Similar to the 944 "lobe" mentioned earlier in the thread?
I suppose that was what I was wondering about initially, the idea that the pulley could somehow make an affect on the "throw". I was remiss in explaining my thoughts more thoroughly.


I'll apologize upfront for being a engineering dork. Let's stop calling things a pulley that are not a pulley. A lobe is not a pulley. A cam is not a pulley. A lever arm is not a pulley.

What you are proposing then is to build a lever arm in the physical location that the transmission pulley curretly occupies.

However, the conservation of energy always applies. There is no free lunch.

So now all you are doing is adding another lever in the middle of the system which will have the net effect of increasing travel on the transmission clutch lever & thowout bearing side while decreasing the travel at the clutch foot pedal. In exchange for that, the forces at the clutch foot pedal will go proportionally higher.

Why not just adjust it at the foot pedal ratio where the motion is initiated?

Per the 911 clutch lever that Bdstone914 posted, you will get exactly the same net effect, More travel of the cable, and higher clutch pedal forces. Yes, that clutch pedal lever arm change seems small but in order to get significantly more travel, you'll just keep increasing the clutch pedal force to get more cable travel regardless of whether that occurs in the front (at the pedal) or at the rear tranmission lever that you propose adding.

Faster shifing is rarely achieved by increasing clutch pedal force.

I apologize if I'm coming off as combative. That is not my intent. Just trying to reiterate that any proposed change to the system comes at the expense of something else (i.e. pedal forces increase proportional to cable travel increase that you're seeking).

FYI -- you could also get the same net effect by shortening the length of the clutch thowout bearing arm where it exits the transmission housing. A shorter lever arm there will decrease the overall travel needed from the system but will have the same net effect -- higher clutch pedal forces.
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HalfMoon   Increasing clutch cable transaxle pulley diameter   Dec 23 2020, 07:55 PM
914e   Has anyone ever experimented with increasing the ...   Dec 23 2020, 08:15 PM
windforfun   Why bother? Get a life.   Dec 23 2020, 08:17 PM
HalfMoon   Why bother? Get a life. Hey chum, what's y...   Dec 23 2020, 10:04 PM
porschetub   Why bother? Get a life. You have got that backw...   Dec 23 2020, 11:15 PM
BillC   The clutch cable pulley doesn't do anything ex...   Dec 23 2020, 08:17 PM
GregAmy   All of the above. That's not how a pulley work...   Dec 23 2020, 08:36 PM
Spoke   Or convert to hydraulic. If you want to clean u...   Dec 24 2020, 01:06 PM
bdstone914   Has anyone ever experimented with increasing the ...   Dec 23 2020, 11:08 PM
Charles Freeborn   [quote name='HalfMoon' post='2877563' date='Dec 2...   Dec 23 2020, 11:26 PM
HalfMoon   [quote name='HalfMoon' post='2877563' date='Dec ...   Dec 24 2020, 08:34 AM
HalfMoon   [quote name='HalfMoon' post='2877563' date='Dec 2...   Dec 24 2020, 08:35 AM
914Sixer   Something else to ponder from Tangerine Racing   Dec 24 2020, 09:11 AM
HalfMoon   Something else to ponder from Tangerine Racing ...   Dec 24 2020, 09:56 AM
gereed75   It is possible to change the pull ratio at the pul...   Dec 24 2020, 09:14 AM
HalfMoon   It is possible to change the pull ratio at the pu...   Dec 24 2020, 09:57 AM
old914dog   It is possible to change the pull ratio at the p...   Dec 24 2020, 10:46 AM
stownsen914   It is possible to change the pull ratio at the pu...   Dec 26 2020, 07:08 AM
Chris914n6   Change your technique slowfoot :poke: *nothing...   Dec 24 2020, 04:06 PM
wattele   I was thingking about converting to hydraulic. My ...   Dec 25 2020, 11:47 AM
Mark Henry   I was thingking about converting to hydraulic. My...   Dec 26 2020, 09:55 AM
Mikey914   Hey guys , just a thought. You are effectively sho...   Dec 26 2020, 06:56 AM
HalfMoon   Hey guys , just a thought. You are effectively sh...   Dec 26 2020, 08:41 AM
Superhawk996   That said, more tinkering (size changes) may yie...   Dec 26 2020, 10:00 AM
Charles Freeborn   Hey guys , just a thought. You are effectively s...   Dec 26 2020, 04:29 PM
mb911   An eccentric wheel would do what you are looking f...   Dec 26 2020, 10:45 AM
HalfMoon   An eccentric wheel would do what you are looking ...   Dec 26 2020, 11:03 AM
Superhawk996   [quote name='mb911' post='2878090' date='Dec 26 2...   Dec 26 2020, 11:55 AM
brant   There is a bolt on solution for this Faster shift...   Dec 26 2020, 02:09 PM


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