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| DRPHIL914 |
Jan 21 2021, 08:55 AM
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Dr. Phil ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,871 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Bluffton, SC Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States
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I have been dealing with this for 12 years, a non-running defrost fan. i even pulled this out 2 years ago and rebuilt it with new flapper seals and main body seal then made sure fan turned but didnt bench test the motor or resisitors, so as a result it still does not work properly. i will be documenting this because 914rubber and Mark will soon be putting together a kit for this that includes all the hardware seals and even a motor i believe, BUT i still have problems and questions!!! so i am starting this thread to get information on diagnosing the common causes of it not working and how to fix it, and then document the rebuild and replacement of the motor, fan, resistor and maybe the control unit in dash. Others have documented the reinstallation of the fan and the cables so i will not duplicate that. and we may want to link other threads hear that have done that as well.
Mark is sending me a kit soon, so while i wait for it, i will have to get some more information about the wiring and resistors function and how to test them . I had this out last week and tested 3 different control units due to thinking that my issue was a control issue, because it runs on one speed, #2, and anything else does not work and it will then throw the fuse. most assume this would be caused by bad slider unit but i tested 3 of them and 2 are like new with no wear on the sliders , still same result. so i am suspecting the resistors /plug aparatus . If anyone has done this and cares to share how to examine and test that for proper function, lets start there. Resistor function, which lead is which and examination of the control units I will take pictures of mine tonight and post those soon. once this figured out and fixed i will do a full step bystep on reassembly too. Looking for lots of help and input on this, thanks!!! Dr. Phil |
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| UROpartsman |
Feb 1 2021, 02:09 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 299 Joined: 22-October 15 From: Simi Valley, CA Member No.: 19,288 Region Association: None
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The fan cage used in high quality URO Parts Blower Motor assembly 911 571 320 32 is indeed dynamically tested at the factory. Just pulled two random units off the shelf in the warehouse; one has a balancing clip and the other doesn't (probably didn't need it). Our impeller doesn't have degree marks, but it does have an arrow mark that's aligned with a small hole that's probably a reference point for an optical eye in the balancing device, and a screen tells the operator where to place the clip on the cage relative to the arrow.
We sell a ton of these annually (also fits 911 up to 1989) and don't get any complaints. Attached image(s)
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| Superhawk996 |
Feb 1 2021, 02:25 PM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,521 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch
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The fan cage used in URO Parts Blower Motor assembly 911 571 320 32 is indeed dynamically tested at the factory. @UROpartsman (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) That is awesome. Thank you for chiming in and confirming that my asssumption was erroneous. This blower motor assembly is looking like an even better, more viable option knowing the fan is balanced. Out of curiosity, I'm looking for weight savings anywhere I can find them. Your blower motor housing looks to be injection molded plastic vs. the orignal cast pot metal frame. I suspect the new DC motors are also lighter than stock. Would you be so kind as to weight a unit? I just received a 2nd blower/housing to replace my housing that was all busted up. I'll weigh this stock one. I would be be game to migrate to a new URO unit even if it only saves some weight of about 1/2 lb or so. |
| UROpartsman |
Feb 1 2021, 07:04 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 299 Joined: 22-October 15 From: Simi Valley, CA Member No.: 19,288 Region Association: None
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Would you be so kind as to weight a unit? I just received a 2nd blower/housing to replace my housing that was all busted up. I'll weigh this stock one. I would be be game to migrate to a new URO unit even if it only saves some weight of about 1/2 lb or so. No problem, the one in our photo weighs 556g / 1.226 lbs. How much does the OE weigh? I see a lot of them on ebay i assume the are all the same? look the same, some sellers like partscontainer carry them and price varies slightly but not much. We will document the build and testing of the unit here as well if thats ok? All of the URO brand units should be the same, don't believe we've made any running changes to these. These come in a plain brown box with a white and blue URO sticker, and a URO logo laser-marked as shown in the above photo. Documenting the build and testing would be fantastic, looking forward to it! |
DRPHIL914 Defrost fan rehab and rebuild thread (fresh air fan) Jan 21 2021, 08:55 AM
Superhawk996 Not trying to be a jerk here. But I keep seeing a... Jan 21 2021, 09:43 AM
DRPHIL914
Not trying to be a jerk here. But I keep seeing ... Jan 21 2021, 11:01 AM
BeatNavy Phil, if it runs on one speed but not another (or ... Jan 21 2021, 11:41 AM
DRPHIL914
Phil, if it runs on one speed but not another (or... Jan 21 2021, 12:05 PM
mepstein Just like starter motors and alternator, the clima... Jan 21 2021, 12:08 PM
framos914 I went through this a few months ago. Since I had ... Jan 21 2021, 12:18 PM
Superhawk996 I'm here to help. Not trying to be a jerk. A... Jan 21 2021, 12:29 PM
BeatNavy So I found the resistor pack. And I found my old ... Jan 21 2021, 12:30 PM
Superhawk996 I'm also going to throw another one out there.... Jan 21 2021, 01:11 PM
Superhawk996 page 72 post #1439
http://www.914world.com/bbs2... Jan 21 2021, 01:22 PM
BeatNavy Ahhh...ok, that filled in at least some of the mis... Jan 21 2021, 01:50 PM
Superhawk996
Amazing how complicated it is and how much engin... Jan 21 2021, 02:07 PM
Superhawk996 Here's a few links about the 1/2 split method.... Jan 21 2021, 02:06 PM
914_teener Glad you guys are getting along.
I did this year... Jan 21 2021, 02:21 PM
DRPHIL914
I'm here to help. Not trying to be a jerk. ... Jan 21 2021, 04:34 PM
Superhawk996
I wonder if the spring in essence is your resist... Jan 21 2021, 05:01 PM
DRPHIL914
I wonder if the spring in essence is your resis... Jan 21 2021, 08:33 PM
bbrock @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu... Jan 21 2021, 08:31 PM
Superhawk996
As for repairing a blown resistor - how importan... Jan 22 2021, 06:56 AM
bbrock
[quote name='bbrock' post='2884771' date='Jan 21 ... Jan 22 2021, 08:42 AM
DRPHIL914
[quote name='bbrock' post='2884771' date='Jan 21... Jan 22 2021, 08:51 AM
Mikey914 I'd look at a standard more "modern... Jan 22 2021, 08:49 AM
Superhawk996 Not trying to be a kill joy on the DigiKey resisto... Jan 22 2021, 09:16 AM
bbrock
Not trying to be a kill joy on the DigiKey resist... Jan 22 2021, 09:03 PM
bdstone914
Not trying to be a kill joy on the DigiKey resis... Jan 23 2021, 12:18 AM

bbrock
[quote name='bbrock' post='2884986' date='Jan 22 ... Jan 23 2021, 02:04 AM
Superhawk996
I am a bit offended though. :evilgrin:
@bbr... Jan 24 2021, 12:18 PM
Superhawk996 Well it turns out I will be posting a WTB.
My bl... Jan 24 2021, 12:35 PM
DRPHIL914
Well it turns out I will be posting a WTB.
My b... Jan 24 2021, 07:03 PM
Superhawk996 @DRPHIL914
" . . . so i guess new resistor ... Jan 25 2021, 06:42 AM
DRPHIL914
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s... Jan 25 2021, 07:10 AM
Superhawk996
. . . plan for tonight is to bench test wit the ... Jan 25 2021, 07:24 AM
Superhawk996 @DRPHIL914
I'm going to pick one more snippe... Jan 25 2021, 07:38 AM
DRPHIL914
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s... Jan 25 2021, 08:09 AM
Superhawk996 @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu... Jan 25 2021, 08:25 AM
DRPHIL914 took the sucker apart and retested the resistor pa... Jan 25 2021, 06:14 PM
bbrock
took the sucker apart and retested the resistor p... Jan 25 2021, 07:19 PM
Superhawk996 @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu... Jan 26 2021, 06:11 AM
DRPHIL914
@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?show... Jan 26 2021, 10:27 AM
Superhawk996
. . . I will try and test the fan motor tonight... Jan 26 2021, 12:19 PM
DRPHIL914 @Superhawk996
i went back and retested the resis... Jan 27 2021, 11:29 AM
Superhawk996
how do you take the motor out of the white fan p... Jan 27 2021, 08:58 PM
DRPHIL914
how do you take the motor out of the white fan ... Jan 27 2021, 11:40 PM
Superhawk996 @DRPHIL914
Great job gutting that beast! Es... Jan 27 2021, 12:37 PM
DRPHIL914
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s... Jan 27 2021, 01:17 PM
DRPHIL914 i am going to get new leads, yes mine pulled apart... Jan 27 2021, 01:24 PM
914werke anyone order one of the new ones from URO or Por... Jan 27 2021, 01:27 PM
Superhawk996 @Mikey914
I'll put in a 2nd vote for wish li... Jan 27 2021, 01:38 PM
bbrock Hey Phil, if those pics show where you are measuri... Jan 27 2021, 02:34 PM
Mikey914 Actually I've been working on a more complete ... Jan 27 2021, 06:16 PM
DRPHIL914
Actually I've been working on a more complete... Jan 28 2021, 12:14 AM
Superhawk996 @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu... Jan 28 2021, 06:59 AM
Superhawk996 I'll snap some photos of my resistor pack toni... Jan 28 2021, 07:12 AM
Superhawk996 Warning: Carnage that can ensue trying to disasse... Jan 28 2021, 08:09 AM
Mikey914 Can you post up some close up pics of the unservic... Jan 28 2021, 10:33 AM
DRPHIL914
Warning: Carnage that can ensue trying to disass... Jan 28 2021, 10:58 AM
Superhawk996 Note: Really need to remove resistor pack to do t... Jan 28 2021, 07:11 PM
Superhawk996 @Mikey914
Here is the motor frame.
The moto... Jan 28 2021, 07:31 PM
Mikey914 Bosch has motors listed for these. If you have rem... Jan 28 2021, 08:12 PM
Superhawk996
Bosch has motors listed for these. If you have re... Jan 28 2021, 08:41 PM
DRPHIL914
Bosch has motors listed for these. If you have r... Jan 28 2021, 09:59 PM
Mikey914 The only thing you could have a problem with the U... Jan 29 2021, 12:41 AM
Superhawk996 For what it's worth good luck balancing one of... Jan 29 2021, 07:04 AM
DRPHIL914
For what it's worth good luck balancing one o... Jan 29 2021, 12:16 PM
Superhawk996
No problem, the one in our photo weighs 556g / 1... Feb 1 2021, 07:33 PM
DRPHIL914
[quote name='UROpartsman' post='2887530' date='Fe... Feb 3 2021, 07:29 PM
DRPHIL914 @UROpartsman
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bb... Feb 1 2021, 02:38 PM
Superhawk996 This is what I was calling the blower housing fram... Feb 4 2021, 09:38 AM
DRPHIL914
The fan cage used in URO Parts Blower Motor assem... Feb 5 2021, 09:26 AM
UROpartsman Awesome Phil, keep us updated! Feb 5 2021, 10:57 AM
DRPHIL914 @Mikey914
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/... Feb 8 2021, 09:00 AM
Superhawk996
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s... Feb 8 2021, 09:29 AM

DRPHIL914
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?... Feb 8 2021, 10:19 AM
Mikey914
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s... Feb 8 2021, 05:10 PM
Superhawk996
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?... Feb 8 2021, 05:15 PM
Superhawk996 @Mikey914
I have received a seal kit but wasn... Feb 8 2021, 09:18 AM
Mikey914 Go ahead and post up some pics. I will also be inc... Feb 8 2021, 05:21 PM
DRPHIL914 @Mikey914
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/... Feb 13 2021, 02:38 PM
Superhawk996 @Mikey914
:drooley:
You're killing me.
... Feb 14 2021, 11:29 AM
DRPHIL914
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s... Feb 14 2021, 11:50 AM
DRPHIL914 i’ve had this apart for some time and finally ha... Feb 14 2021, 09:51 PM
DRPHIL914 after polishing , overkill i know but might as wel... Feb 14 2021, 10:03 PM
DRPHIL914 UPDATE:
finally got around to installing this ne... Mar 23 2021, 08:19 AM
DRPHIL914 tank up and box accessed- pretty clean under there... Mar 23 2021, 08:24 AM
bob164 Don't think this is the issue with the fans, b... Mar 23 2021, 02:39 PM
DRPHIL914
Don't think this is the issue with the fans, ... Mar 24 2021, 04:59 AM
bob164 The picture isn't that clear, was referring to... Mar 24 2021, 11:22 AM
DRPHIL914
The picture isn't that clear, was referring t... Mar 25 2021, 06:39 AM
DRPHIL914 ok update from trouble shooting last night,
after... Mar 25 2021, 06:52 AM
Rob-O Quick question and I don’t have a schematic in f... Mar 25 2021, 07:27 AM
DRPHIL914
Quick question and I don’t have a schematic in ... Mar 25 2021, 10:22 AM
DRPHIL914 OK finally last night i was able to sort thru the ... Mar 26 2021, 08:25 AM
DRPHIL914 this is how the wiring should be connected.
i am ... Mar 26 2021, 08:35 AM
Mikey914 Doing some research. Looks like we can form these ... Mar 26 2021, 02:42 PM
Bullethead A huge thank you to all the contributors of this t... May 11 2023, 06:46 AM![]() ![]() |
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