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> Staring down the EFI rabbit hole again, /6 intake design, Which way around for the 964 plenums in a 914?
Mark Henry
post Feb 17 2021, 10:34 AM
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One of the locals fell on some hard times, his plans changed and his 930 was sold, so he offered me a smoking deal on an EFI system.

SDS EM5-F /6 system with twin plug coil packs, Siemens 55lb injectors, cold start valve, crank trigger and /6 trigger mount, extra relay outputs (had meth injection), Beru plug wires X2, manuals, base maps, dizzy hole block off, Bosch one wire (Djet) head temp sender plus all the cabling, fuses, etc that are not included with an SDS system.
I already have a Wabro 300hp FI pump, a Djet fuel pressure regulator, 14point7 wideband O2 meter and an O2 bung in both headers.

This is not a discussion on which Aftermarket EFI system is better, etc but rather on plenum based intake design.
I'm not new. I've been playing with a SDS EM4-F /4 system since 2003-2004 that's now on my '67 bug T4 2600cc conversion, I know that ITB's are better for peak HP, but I'm after overall improvement, usable vacuum signal for MAP, drivability, fuel economy and etc.

FYI I have also asked this on the bird board here for some more info on the build.
This thread shows my /6 conversion a few years back and has all the engine specs here. Plus I've built my own motorcycle ITB's before here.

Please I only want to discuss a single TB plenum based intake for performance EFI.
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post Mar 4 2021, 11:14 AM
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Mark, what tuning software is used with SDS?
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post Mar 5 2021, 09:16 AM
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QUOTE(GregAmy @ Mar 4 2021, 12:14 PM) *

Mark, what tuning software is used with SDS?


SDS ??? do you mean the software?

Propitiatory, I'm not sure what they call it, I only see version codes but isn't that the OS? One old chip I have says 4F ver VII, I believe I have a 4F ver XIV (V14) in my old EM4-F4 4cylinder system which you have to chip to upgrade the software.
This 6 cylinder EM5-F6 has a 5F ver 25 chip set, but with the mod I can download the updates, not sure on the newest version code till I download it.

Tuning software like tuner studio?
SDS dosen't need it, you could mess up my fuel and ignition maps and I'll have it started in less than 5 minutes, be driving down the road and have the tuning good enough in 10-15 minutes to go racing , fully tuned in say 20-40 minutes. ( Note I know how to quickly scroll, it may take 3X as long for a beginner. Also doesn't count for finger problems, for storage security I once set a fuel cut at 1000rpm, next spring I forgot that I did this and that was a week of head scratching. doh!)
I ran the SDS on my 1.8 stock engine and for 4 years and except for the initial tune I never once had the programmer on the engine. My first 3 T4 engines I sold as proven running long blocks.

I've been running SDS for 18 years, this will be my 5th personal engine plus I've sold and installed a few systems and I've never had a car on a dyno. I've never seen the need for dyno time.
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Mark Henry   Staring down the EFI rabbit hole again, /6 intake design   Feb 17 2021, 10:34 AM
ClayPerrine   One of the locals fell on some hard times, his pl...   Feb 17 2021, 10:40 AM
Mark Henry   I could just buy an intake but holy carp have you ...   Feb 17 2021, 10:49 AM
Steve   PRO-M had a 80mm? Mustang MAF kit with MAFTuner f...   Feb 18 2021, 09:18 AM
mepstein   3.2 Carrera intake. About $500 and good to ab...   Feb 17 2021, 10:56 AM
horizontally-opposed   3.2 Carrera intake. About $500 and good to a...   Feb 17 2021, 11:19 AM
Mark Henry   3.2 Carrera intake. About $500 and good to ...   Feb 17 2021, 12:27 PM
GregAmy   Depending on your airflow requirements (total disp...   Feb 17 2021, 10:58 AM
Mark Henry   Just looking on the SDS site I can send in my ECU ...   Feb 17 2021, 10:58 AM
jd74914   Just looking on the SDS site I can send in my ECU...   Feb 17 2021, 01:24 PM
ClayPerrine   Mark, there is a 964 complete intake system with ...   Feb 17 2021, 11:21 AM
ClayPerrine   If you want the aluminum plenum setup I got with m...   Feb 17 2021, 11:25 AM
Mark Henry   If you want the aluminum plenum setup I got with ...   Feb 17 2021, 11:52 AM
ClayPerrine   [quote name='ClayPerrine' post='2892154' date='Fe...   Feb 17 2021, 01:07 PM
Mark Henry   Couple of pics of the system. http://www.914world....   Feb 17 2021, 12:35 PM
targa72e   HI Mark, I also thought of using the later waterc...   Feb 17 2021, 02:50 PM
Mark Henry   Cool Steve, do you have any more pics of your inta...   Feb 18 2021, 10:14 AM
ClayPerrine   Cool Steve, do you have any more pics of your int...   Feb 18 2021, 10:30 AM
Steve   Cool Steve, do you have any more pics of your int...   Feb 18 2021, 10:41 AM
rick 918-S   Probably don't have to tell an experienced eng...   Feb 18 2021, 10:33 AM
ClayPerrine   Probably don't have to tell an experienced en...   Feb 18 2021, 11:23 AM
Mark Henry   Probably don't have to tell an experienced en...   Feb 18 2021, 11:25 AM
JamesM   You can get around this by running TPS only, also...   Feb 26 2021, 11:43 AM
Mark Henry   Well it looks like Clay can't find his old int...   Feb 25 2021, 05:43 PM
Chris914n6   There is a bunch of math involved in a good intake...   Feb 25 2021, 08:41 PM
Mark Henry   There is a bunch of math involved in a good intak...   Feb 26 2021, 07:22 AM
Carbon-14   f5MiS8iLN1I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-vOst...   Feb 26 2021, 01:54 PM
Mark Henry   This is not a discussion on which Aftermarket E...   Feb 26 2021, 02:35 PM
JamesM   [quote name='Mark Henry' post='2892136' date='Feb...   Mar 1 2021, 02:13 PM
Mark Henry   [quote name='Mark Henry' post='2892136' date='Fe...   Mar 1 2021, 02:40 PM
Mark Henry   Woo Hoo! I've got two 964 plenum halves o...   Feb 27 2021, 12:42 PM
jd74914   I've got two 964 plenum halves on the way, no...   Mar 1 2021, 08:26 AM
Mark Henry   [quote name='Mark Henry' post='2895045' date='Feb...   Mar 1 2021, 09:44 AM
Chris914n6   Nissan 3.5 (fwd) and 4.0 (trucks) are easy to find...   Feb 27 2021, 08:49 PM
Mark Henry   Thanks for the tip Chris, I wouldn't have tho...   Feb 28 2021, 05:18 AM
Mark Henry   So 1 day turn around on my SDS ECU, Daughter boar...   Mar 4 2021, 10:53 AM
GregAmy   Mark, what tuning software is used with SDS?   Mar 4 2021, 11:14 AM
Mark Henry   Mark, what tuning software is used with SDS? S...   Mar 5 2021, 09:16 AM
Chris914n6   They sell generic TBs on ebay. More likely to have...   Mar 4 2021, 03:15 PM
Mark Henry   My 964 intake halves arrived last night. I have t...   Mar 16 2021, 06:45 AM
ClayPerrine   My 964 intake halves arrived last night. I have ...   Mar 16 2021, 06:49 AM
Mark Henry   Do you need the stubs, injectors and fuel rails? ...   Mar 16 2021, 07:05 AM
ClayPerrine   Do you need the stubs, injectors and fuel rails?...   Mar 16 2021, 07:16 AM
Mark Henry   Question. Does the the 3.2 up intake to ports use ...   Mar 16 2021, 07:00 AM
Mark Henry   Ahhh! Okay then. ;)   Mar 16 2021, 07:35 AM
Mark Henry   So I'll be making something like below, what w...   Mar 18 2021, 11:44 AM
ClayPerrine   So I'll be making something like below, what ...   Apr 24 2021, 08:16 PM
Mark Henry   With all the 2.0 engine work I've taken on I w...   Apr 24 2021, 08:56 AM
Chris914n6   I'll have to figure out how to do the throttl...   Apr 24 2021, 02:08 PM
Mark Henry   TPS mount doesn't line up with this bosch 3 wi...   Apr 24 2021, 09:02 AM
Mark Henry   The huge bonus is it came with this 9/16" (1....   Apr 24 2021, 09:09 AM
Mark Henry   Too big, it's the size of a bicycle cable end ...   Apr 24 2021, 03:14 PM
Chris914n6   :rolleyes: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_...   May 2 2021, 01:46 AM
Mark Henry   :rolleyes: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads...   May 2 2021, 07:43 AM
Chris914n6   Cool what's it off of? It's been 2 deca...   May 2 2021, 01:05 PM


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