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> Big Slice of Reality Pie., 2056 D-jet Dyno run
Olympic 914
post May 6 2021, 08:25 AM
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Just got back from having the teener run on a Dyno.

Good and not as good as I expected.

Was hoping for at least 100 Hp, didn't make it.

This run was on a Mustang Dyno, allegedly a Dynojet Dyno reads from 12~15% higher.

First the good.

Runs were extremely consistent. the three runs printed pretty much right on top of each other.

Torque was way up there above 95 tq from 3000 to 4500. with no real dips.

HP numbers were very consistent with a nice smooth line from 2000 to over 4500

Now the bad

Max HP was only read at 88 Hp and max torque was 100.

If I add the 12-15% it comes to 100 Hp. But it is what it is.

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2056 D-jet, Heads by HAM RS+, 8.6 comp. Raby 9590 cam, SS HEs with Triad muffler. I Have adjusted the MPS to what seems to run best for this car.

This car runs great and I just wanted to know what it was putting out, Not really planning to try to tune it for more power. Reliability is the key. and I am so far happy with that.

Dyno sheet added (Date/time is wrong, 5/06/21 8:35am)

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post May 6 2021, 12:24 PM
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Don't forget that the standard for manufacturer dyno numbers changed in 1972. All the 2Ls prior to 1975 were rated at Gross (the old rating carried over), but Porsche had to go to the new Net rating for the '75 and '76 because of the re-rating for emissions. I believ there was also a compression ratio decrease?

For what we're doing today, Id' suggest stock ratings for the 2Ls should be compared to pre-75 numbers.
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post May 6 2021, 12:41 PM
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QUOTE(GregAmy @ May 6 2021, 11:24 AM) *

Don't forget that the standard for manufacturer dyno numbers changed in 1972. All the 2Ls prior to 1975 were rated at Gross (the old rating carried over), but Porsche had to go to the new Net rating for the '75 and '76 because of the re-rating for emissions. I believ there was also a compression ratio decrease?

For what we're doing today, Id' suggest stock ratings for the 2Ls should be compared to pre-75 numbers.


Greg - you're confusing the SAE & DIN gross to net spec switch for 1973 MY, with the 1975 MY GC 2.0L engine switch that was emissions control based. BTW - that gross to net switch was an auto industry wide change.

PS - the other emissions control cause spec shift for the USA was in the 1968 MY when they required the air injection into the exhaust manifolds to control emissions by "after-burning" in the manifold(s)/pipes

No - the change was for the 73 MY, which was why the 1.7L carryover (non-California cars) was slightly lower than 72 1.7L 914/4s - so my comments above about 70-72 1.7L vs 75-76 2.0L performance would also extend to 73 1.7 cars NOT from California with it's lower HP & TQ.

And NO - the 75-76 GC 2.0L is a completely different engine & performance in terms of their emissions control mandated detuning. That is the big difference that you're seeing for the 75 MY specs.

Also - since the change from Gross to Net & DIN to SAE specs was for the 1973 MY when the 2.0L flat-4 was introduced to replace the slow selling 70-72 914-6 - the Gross DIN & SAE specs for a 73-74 GA 2.0L motor is actually much closer to the prior 914-6's 110 HP (detuned from the 1969 911T's 120 HP for same motor), and the TQ would be better on the 73-74 GA 2L-4 motor, than for the -6 (it was already more torquey at lower rpm than the -6).

Granted that the 911 based 2.0L flat-6 has far more upside potential, as show by 64-69 911 models with up to 270 HP IIRC on street tuned versions - but the GA 2.0L /4's are far more streetable than the -6's, because you can get more torque pull at low rpm in 2nd & 3rd gear around town.

That was my butt-dyno impression on the 2 1970 914-6s that I test drove back in 1975 before getting my 73 2L - and neither of the -6's passed my factory 914 trained mechanic Hans' PPI anyway, so non-contenders for my & my budget back then a year out of college!

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Olympic 914   Big Slice of Reality Pie.   May 6 2021, 08:25 AM
VaccaRabite   Just keep in mind that is your HP at the wheels. N...   May 6 2021, 08:34 AM
Root_Werks   There's still more power to be had with that b...   May 6 2021, 08:48 AM
rfinegan   That TQ looks great. I bet it drives and pulls gre...   May 6 2021, 09:02 AM
Root_Werks   That TQ looks great. I bet it drives and pulls gr...   May 6 2021, 09:44 AM
GregAmy   That's really not hateful...did you do a ...   May 6 2021, 09:53 AM
Jamie   Just got back from having the teener run on a Dyn...   May 6 2021, 10:00 AM
JamesM   Were they monitoring your AFRs during the pulls? ...   May 6 2021, 10:00 AM
Olympic 914   Were they monitoring your AFRs during the pulls? ...   May 6 2021, 11:32 AM
JamesM   He said it was in the md- high 11s at WOT. So ...   May 6 2021, 10:47 PM
Mark Henry   Were they monitoring your AFRs during the pulls?...   May 7 2021, 06:26 AM
brant   I was going to ask if there were any AFR charts al...   May 6 2021, 10:46 AM
Tom_T   Changing to & properly tuning for the Euro 8.0...   May 6 2021, 11:22 AM
GregAmy   For Greg - a buddy here in SoCal has a FAT 2056 wi...   May 6 2021, 11:29 AM
GregAmy   ...have a good VE table tuned to ~14.5 mid-throttl...   May 6 2021, 11:53 AM
rfinegan   Not valve float @4500   May 6 2021, 11:52 AM
Tom_T   FYI by comparison for what you should be able to b...   May 6 2021, 12:05 PM
SirAndy   with 116 lb/ft @ 3500 RPM & 95 HP @ 4900 RPM ...   May 6 2021, 01:01 PM
Olympic 914   88/95 can get you into plenty of trouble. Plus,...   May 6 2021, 02:32 PM
GregAmy   Don't forget that the standard for manufacture...   May 6 2021, 12:24 PM
Tom_T   Don't forget that the standard for manufactur...   May 6 2021, 12:41 PM
Tom_T   PS & slightly OT - of note on that p914 perfor...   May 6 2021, 12:27 PM
Olympic 914   Well my Butt Dyno said this engine had more than 1...   May 6 2021, 01:21 PM
mbseto   ... Plus, i take torque over HP any day. When t...   May 6 2021, 02:05 PM
mb911   Well I can tell you this. Though the Triads and an...   May 6 2021, 05:29 PM
DRPHIL914   Well I can tell you this. Though the Triads and a...   May 7 2021, 09:00 AM
mb911   [quote name='mb911' post='2913855' date='May 6 20...   May 7 2021, 09:56 AM
Frank S   Well I can tell you this. Though the Triads and a...   May 7 2021, 10:00 AM
iankarr   I'm also in the torque over HP camp. And my cu...   May 7 2021, 06:05 AM
76-914   I'm also in the torque over HP camp. And my c...   May 7 2021, 08:00 AM
Montreal914   I'm also in the torque over HP camp. And my c...   May 7 2021, 09:17 AM
Eric_Shea   I'm also in the torque over HP camp. And my c...   May 12 2021, 06:33 AM
DRPHIL914   I'm also in the torque over HP camp. And my ...   May 12 2021, 07:46 AM
76-914   [quote name='Eric_Shea' post='2915208' date='May ...   May 12 2021, 08:03 AM
DRPHIL914   [quote name='Eric_Shea' post='2915208' date='May...   May 12 2021, 08:41 AM
johnhora   Well I can tell you this. Though the Triads and a...   May 7 2021, 07:19 AM
Bleyseng   This is from 2000 when my 2.0L was stock with flat...   May 7 2021, 12:40 PM
GregAmy   A slight correction. Microsquirt can be used whol...   May 12 2021, 08:23 AM
DRPHIL914   A slight correction. Microsquirt can be used who...   May 12 2021, 08:58 AM
GregAmy   thanks for the info, good to know, btw looks grea...   May 12 2021, 09:03 AM
bbrock   Great bedtime reading. Not for the TL;DR crowd. ...   May 13 2021, 05:08 PM
GregAmy   Followed your advice and read the whole thing last...   May 13 2021, 07:49 PM
Mark Henry   I have a real hard time believing that an EFI syst...   May 12 2021, 12:00 PM
JamesM   I have a real hard time believing that an EFI sys...   May 12 2021, 01:30 PM
914_teener   I have a real hard time believing that an EFI sy...   May 12 2021, 02:13 PM
Mark Henry   I don't care what is the best system, my probl...   May 13 2021, 04:44 AM
914_teener   I don't care what is the best system, my prob...   May 13 2021, 11:05 AM
JamesM   Since all the D-jet parts still have replacement...   May 13 2021, 12:27 PM
Mark Henry   [quote name='Mark Henry' post='2915484' date='May...   May 13 2021, 12:58 PM
GregAmy   FWIW, my experience supports Mark's position. ...   May 13 2021, 05:54 AM
JamesM   No, I didn't dyno the engine before replacin...   May 13 2021, 12:17 PM
Bleyseng   I have agree with Mark and Greg that I doubt that ...   May 13 2021, 07:26 AM
Olympic 914   As stated in my first post.. the readings will de...   May 13 2021, 07:48 AM
GregAmy   I always use Dynapack. It controls the inertia/rat...   May 13 2021, 09:22 AM
jd74914   @GregAmy Who do you typically use for a dyno shop...   May 13 2021, 09:54 AM
GregAmy   John Malepetsis, Performance and Styling in Manche...   May 13 2021, 10:06 AM
jd74914   John Malepetsis, Performance and Styling in Manch...   May 13 2021, 12:56 PM
Superhawk996   Best dyno accuracy is going to be an engine dyno. ...   May 13 2021, 10:11 AM
914_teener   James is right...and back to the OP. Maybe and i...   May 13 2021, 04:01 PM
Mark Henry   James is right...and back to the OP. Maybe and ...   May 14 2021, 04:54 AM
JmuRiz   For T4 I can and built reliable 160hp iron cylind...   May 14 2021, 08:59 AM
Mark Henry   For T4 I can and built reliable 160hp iron cylin...   May 14 2021, 09:33 AM


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