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| Olympic 914 |
May 6 2021, 08:25 AM
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Just got back from having the teener run on a Dyno.
Good and not as good as I expected. Was hoping for at least 100 Hp, didn't make it. This run was on a Mustang Dyno, allegedly a Dynojet Dyno reads from 12~15% higher. First the good. Runs were extremely consistent. the three runs printed pretty much right on top of each other. Torque was way up there above 95 tq from 3000 to 4500. with no real dips. HP numbers were very consistent with a nice smooth line from 2000 to over 4500 Now the bad Max HP was only read at 88 Hp and max torque was 100. If I add the 12-15% it comes to 100 Hp. But it is what it is. Build is 2056 D-jet, Heads by HAM RS+, 8.6 comp. Raby 9590 cam, SS HEs with Triad muffler. I Have adjusted the MPS to what seems to run best for this car. This car runs great and I just wanted to know what it was putting out, Not really planning to try to tune it for more power. Reliability is the key. and I am so far happy with that. Dyno sheet added (Date/time is wrong, 5/06/21 8:35am) ![]() |
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| JamesM |
May 6 2021, 10:00 AM
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Were they monitoring your AFRs during the pulls?
Like others here I have to suspect accurate fueling may be an issue. Its pretty amazing how far off from ideal the mixture on these cars can be and still have them run decently. PMB has been seeing dyno numbers over 100HP on stock 2.0L motors just from the conversion to modern EFI (utilizing stock d-jet intakes) I would expect you should be seeing at least that with your motor once properly dialed in. |
| Olympic 914 |
May 6 2021, 11:32 AM
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Were they monitoring your AFRs during the pulls? Like others here I have to suspect accurate fueling may be an issue. Its pretty amazing how far off from ideal the mixture on these cars can be and still have them run decently. Did not run a probe up the pipe, but the operator did monitor the AFR on my wide band AFR. He said it was in the md- high 11s at WOT. So it looks like I could dial in the Full Load stop on the MPS a couple points. Don't really know how much of a difference that would make though. I am running single springs on the HAM RS+ heads, wonder if its starting to float the valves above 4500 Normal driving around AFR runs in the 12 ~ 14 range depending a lot on throttle position. I don't want to lean it out too much. |
| Mark Henry |
May 7 2021, 06:26 AM
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that's what I do! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
Were they monitoring your AFRs during the pulls? Like others here I have to suspect accurate fueling may be an issue. Its pretty amazing how far off from ideal the mixture on these cars can be and still have them run decently. Did not run a probe up the pipe, but the operator did monitor the AFR on my wide band AFR. He said it was in the md- high 11s at WOT. So it looks like I could dial in the Full Load stop on the MPS a couple points. Don't really know how much of a difference that would make though. I am running single springs on the HAM RS+ heads, wonder if its starting to float the valves above 4500 Normal driving around AFR runs in the 12 ~ 14 range depending a lot on throttle position. I don't want to lean it out too much. At WOT, steady acceleration and cruise pulling to me the magical number is 12.7:1, if you have a flat line 12.5-13 AFR under load you're golden. That would likely get you over 90hp, your torque is great, if you can lean it out just that hair I'd call it good. Notice on all these graphs how the torque and HP nosedives after 5K rpm? With a fully balanced stroker engine and a big carb cam I can move that peak to 5800 but that's it, therefore even on a T4 hot street, AX car there absolutely no reason to need it go higher than 6K rpm. If you need to do 7-8k rpm then really you need a /6. |
Olympic 914 Big Slice of Reality Pie. May 6 2021, 08:25 AM
VaccaRabite Just keep in mind that is your HP at the wheels. N... May 6 2021, 08:34 AM
Root_Werks There's still more power to be had with that b... May 6 2021, 08:48 AM
rfinegan That TQ looks great. I bet it drives and pulls gre... May 6 2021, 09:02 AM
Root_Werks
That TQ looks great. I bet it drives and pulls gr... May 6 2021, 09:44 AM
GregAmy That's really not hateful...did you do a ... May 6 2021, 09:53 AM
Jamie
Just got back from having the teener run on a Dyn... May 6 2021, 10:00 AM
JamesM
He said it was in the md- high 11s at WOT.
So ... May 6 2021, 10:47 PM
brant I was going to ask if there were any AFR charts al... May 6 2021, 10:46 AM
Tom_T Changing to & properly tuning for the Euro 8.0... May 6 2021, 11:22 AM
GregAmy For Greg - a buddy here in SoCal has a FAT 2056 wi... May 6 2021, 11:29 AM
GregAmy ...have a good VE table tuned to ~14.5 mid-throttl... May 6 2021, 11:53 AM
rfinegan Not valve float @4500 May 6 2021, 11:52 AM
Tom_T FYI by comparison for what you should be able to b... May 6 2021, 12:05 PM
SirAndy with 116 lb/ft @ 3500 RPM & 95 HP @ 4900 RPM ... May 6 2021, 01:01 PM
Olympic 914
88/95 can get you into plenty of trouble. Plus,... May 6 2021, 02:32 PM
GregAmy Don't forget that the standard for manufacture... May 6 2021, 12:24 PM
Tom_T
Don't forget that the standard for manufactur... May 6 2021, 12:41 PM
Tom_T PS & slightly OT - of note on that p914 perfor... May 6 2021, 12:27 PM
Olympic 914 Well my Butt Dyno said this engine had more than 1... May 6 2021, 01:21 PM
mbseto
... Plus, i take torque over HP any day.
When t... May 6 2021, 02:05 PM
mb911 Well I can tell you this. Though the Triads and an... May 6 2021, 05:29 PM
DRPHIL914
Well I can tell you this. Though the Triads and a... May 7 2021, 09:00 AM

mb911
[quote name='mb911' post='2913855' date='May 6 20... May 7 2021, 09:56 AM
Frank S
Well I can tell you this. Though the Triads and a... May 7 2021, 10:00 AM
iankarr I'm also in the torque over HP camp. And my cu... May 7 2021, 06:05 AM
76-914
I'm also in the torque over HP camp. And my c... May 7 2021, 08:00 AM
Montreal914
I'm also in the torque over HP camp. And my c... May 7 2021, 09:17 AM
Eric_Shea
I'm also in the torque over HP camp. And my c... May 12 2021, 06:33 AM
DRPHIL914
I'm also in the torque over HP camp. And my ... May 12 2021, 07:46 AM
76-914
[quote name='Eric_Shea' post='2915208' date='May ... May 12 2021, 08:03 AM
DRPHIL914
[quote name='Eric_Shea' post='2915208' date='May... May 12 2021, 08:41 AM
johnhora
Well I can tell you this. Though the Triads and a... May 7 2021, 07:19 AM
Bleyseng This is from 2000 when my 2.0L was stock with flat... May 7 2021, 12:40 PM
GregAmy A slight correction.
Microsquirt can be used whol... May 12 2021, 08:23 AM
DRPHIL914
A slight correction.
Microsquirt can be used who... May 12 2021, 08:58 AM

GregAmy thanks for the info, good to know, btw looks grea... May 12 2021, 09:03 AM
bbrock
Great bedtime reading. Not for the TL;DR crowd.
... May 13 2021, 05:08 PM
GregAmy Followed your advice and read the whole thing last... May 13 2021, 07:49 PM
Mark Henry I have a real hard time believing that an EFI syst... May 12 2021, 12:00 PM
JamesM
I have a real hard time believing that an EFI sys... May 12 2021, 01:30 PM
914_teener
I have a real hard time believing that an EFI sy... May 12 2021, 02:13 PM
Mark Henry I don't care what is the best system, my probl... May 13 2021, 04:44 AM
914_teener
I don't care what is the best system, my prob... May 13 2021, 11:05 AM
JamesM
Since all the D-jet parts still have replacement... May 13 2021, 12:27 PM
Mark Henry
[quote name='Mark Henry' post='2915484' date='May... May 13 2021, 12:58 PM
GregAmy FWIW, my experience supports Mark's position.
... May 13 2021, 05:54 AM
JamesM
No, I didn't dyno the engine before replacin... May 13 2021, 12:17 PM
Bleyseng I have agree with Mark and Greg that I doubt that ... May 13 2021, 07:26 AM
Olympic 914 As stated in my first post..
the readings will de... May 13 2021, 07:48 AM
GregAmy I always use Dynapack. It controls the inertia/rat... May 13 2021, 09:22 AM
jd74914 @GregAmy Who do you typically use for a dyno shop... May 13 2021, 09:54 AM
GregAmy John Malepetsis, Performance and Styling in Manche... May 13 2021, 10:06 AM
jd74914
John Malepetsis, Performance and Styling in Manch... May 13 2021, 12:56 PM
Superhawk996 Best dyno accuracy is going to be an engine dyno. ... May 13 2021, 10:11 AM
914_teener James is right...and back to the OP.
Maybe and i... May 13 2021, 04:01 PM
Mark Henry
James is right...and back to the OP.
Maybe and ... May 14 2021, 04:54 AM
JmuRiz
For T4 I can and built reliable 160hp iron cylind... May 14 2021, 08:59 AM
Mark Henry
For T4 I can and built reliable 160hp iron cylin... May 14 2021, 09:33 AM![]() ![]() |
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