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Halfnelson
post Jul 23 2021, 06:51 AM
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Help - my new to me 1973 1.7 Djet came running really sweet, but almost immediately developed the 'hunting tick-over' of lean running / air leak. We replaced all the vacuum pipes, found one of the inlet gaskets had a very slight leak. Seems somewhere along the line things have been tweaked to compensate for the leaks so that now they're cured, the car is running super rich. Having had a L-jet for years the Djet is new to me so any advice on where to start first would be much appreciated. Thanks ChrisAttached Image
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post Jul 24 2021, 10:05 AM
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Hi Halfnelson: Hope this doesn't amount to hijacking your thread but since we seem to be in the same boat maybe my experience so far is of interest. (I had no knowledge in this area a month ago so take my advice with a grain of salt.) But the huge body of work on this forum has been very educational!

As advised above, I did start with valves and ignition. PO had replaced all spark related parts and I reset the dwell and timing to spec. I also installed a fuel pressure gauge and lowered it to just under 30 PSI. Next I pulled the throttle body and checked cleaned and adjusted the TPS contact tracks.

Next up, the MPS and sure enough, mine held no vacuum at all. So I replaced the perished diaphragm using TR's kit. Successfully but still in question (see below)

Next I removed and tested the Aux Air Valve - it worked but I decided to leave it off and plug the manifold outlet. Ditto with the Decel Valve. Unlike more modern FI systems with mass air flow meters, a downstream vacuum leak on d-Jet shouldn't cause a lean condition. The MPS will note the pressure drop and add more fuel. BUT, this should be in proportion to the "extra" air so it shouldn't be richer. I think:) Anyway, based on what I read it was OK to disconnect these for a while to reduce the number of variables. I may hook them up again later.

Then, to eliminate doubt re: defective Thermo switch or leaking cold start injector, I got a 3' length of fuel hose and completely bypassed the injector.

Finally, (and I should have done this earlier,) I pulled the ECU connector and performed all of the circuit tests described in the rennlist bpanders link above. Was hoping for a smoking gun test result but everything checked out. (Although I'm still questioning CHT reading of 2,250 ohms @ 78 degrees F. Seems a bit high to me.

So now I'm down to one question that perhaps the group here can help us with:

In rebuilding the MPS, reestablishing the height of the center plunger involves an imprecise measurement. So this could be the issue. There is mention of uncovering the adjustment screw and then calibrating the MPS. But Mr Anders says this requires special equipment. It seems like this adjustment could easily impact the rich/lean situation. Has anyone tackled this calibration without test equipment?

Again, sorry if this is a hijack but hope our shared experience helps someone now or in the future.

Good luck!

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Halfnelson   Help - Djet running way too rich   Jul 23 2021, 06:51 AM
rfinegan   Try adjusting the Idle mixture knob on the ECU. I ...   Jul 23 2021, 07:35 AM
jrmdir   Welcome to the D-Jet rich mixture madness. I'm...   Jul 23 2021, 08:19 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   SUPER rich could be blocked fuel return, bad valve...   Jul 23 2021, 08:46 AM
ctc911ctc   That is a beautiful car! SUPER rich could ...   Jul 23 2021, 09:43 AM
Olympic 914   Pull a vacuum on your MPS Make sure your diaphragm...   Jul 23 2021, 11:11 AM
rjames   Pull a vacuum on your MPS Make sure your diaphrag...   Jul 23 2021, 12:02 PM
Dave_Darling   Step 1: Check the ignition system. Yes, seriousl...   Jul 24 2021, 01:05 AM
Halfnelson   Many thanks for all the suggestions - plenty to wo...   Jul 24 2021, 07:44 AM
jrmdir   Hi Halfnelson: Hope this doesn't amount to hij...   Jul 24 2021, 10:05 AM
rjames   Calibrating the MPS correctly requires being able ...   Jul 24 2021, 10:19 AM
brant   Calibrating the MPS correctly requires being able...   Jul 24 2021, 01:09 PM
mgphoto   Calibrating the MPS correctly requires being able...   Sep 6 2022, 01:00 PM
jrmdir   Thanks for the feedback. Just to be clear, I'm...   Jul 24 2021, 02:14 PM
Dave_Darling   Also worth checking the fuel pressure. Should be ...   Jul 24 2021, 07:20 PM
r_towle   Clean the inner parts in the distributor. The adva...   Jul 24 2021, 09:39 PM
Halfnelson   Thanks for everyone's feedback on this. I...   Aug 11 2021, 08:45 AM
Rand   I would have bet MPS. How was it tested? A simple...   Aug 11 2021, 06:30 PM
Halfnelson   OK - so not sorted after all. :headbang: After ...   Aug 20 2021, 07:53 AM
Bartlett 914   OK - so not sorted after all. :headbang: After...   Aug 20 2021, 07:58 AM
Halfnelson   Thanks Mark - have replaced the CHT but will test ...   Aug 20 2021, 09:34 AM
rjames   I had a similar situation and it turned out to be ...   Aug 20 2021, 09:35 AM
Halfnelson   I had a similar situation and it turned out to be...   Aug 20 2021, 09:54 AM
rjames   I had a similar situation and it turned out to b...   Aug 20 2021, 10:15 AM
Rand   What was the difference in idle when you pulled th...   Aug 20 2021, 12:58 PM
rjames   What was the difference in idle when you pulled t...   Aug 20 2021, 02:23 PM
Rand   What was the difference in idle when you pulled ...   Aug 24 2021, 09:10 PM
rjames   [quote name='rjames' post='2939526' date='Aug 20 ...   Aug 24 2021, 09:48 PM
Rand   Yup- I had it backwards. After all the DJet and M...   Aug 24 2021, 09:52 PM
emerygt350   Just out of curiosity, have you checked which inje...   Aug 20 2021, 04:44 PM
Halfnelson   Just out of curiosity, have you checked which inj...   Aug 23 2021, 07:57 AM
Halfnelson   Lots of questions spring to mind like how it was e...   Aug 23 2021, 08:02 AM
emerygt350   I have 1... And it is yellow. I bought those n...   Aug 23 2021, 06:19 PM
emerygt350   The left side is the 2.0   Aug 23 2021, 06:27 PM
steuspeed   Wrong injectors.. amazing! I bought a set of S...   Aug 23 2021, 10:34 PM
ChrisFoley   Those look like 1.8L injectors, for L-Jet. Someone...   Aug 24 2021, 09:52 AM
Halfnelson   Those look like 1.8L injectors, for L-Jet. Someon...   Aug 25 2021, 09:37 AM
emerygt350   Wow, the plot thickens.   Aug 24 2021, 11:23 AM
emerygt350   The one you are looking for is the fj114. 59 doll...   Aug 25 2021, 10:09 AM
Halfnelson   I'm resurrecting this thread if that's ok ...   Sep 6 2022, 10:10 AM
JeffBowlsby   Have you checked your CSV for leakage?   Sep 6 2022, 10:30 AM
JamesM   Have you checked your CSV for leakage? :agree:...   Sep 6 2022, 11:52 AM
Halfnelson   Have you checked your CSV for leakage? :agree...   Sep 6 2022, 12:57 PM
rjames   I spent well over a year troubleshooting a similar...   Sep 6 2022, 11:19 AM
emerygt350   Yeah, check that cold start valve. Any chance you...   Sep 6 2022, 01:01 PM
Halfnelson   Yeah, check that cold start valve. Any chance yo...   Sep 6 2022, 01:07 PM
Lockwodo   Yeah, check that cold start valve. Any chance y...   Sep 7 2022, 04:38 PM
emerygt350   [quote name='Halfnelson' post='3027513' date='Sep...   Sep 7 2022, 05:30 PM
mgphoto   Pull one side of the fuel rail off while the engin...   Sep 6 2022, 01:10 PM
emerygt350   Pull one side of the fuel rail off while the engi...   Sep 6 2022, 01:38 PM
JeffBowlsby   Two other things to check: TS2 - cyl head temp se...   Sep 6 2022, 01:53 PM
rjames   @emerygt350 Not true. What he is experiencing ...   Sep 6 2022, 02:24 PM
emerygt350   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.ph...   Sep 6 2022, 02:40 PM
rjames   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.p...   Sep 6 2022, 03:00 PM
emerygt350   I guess there is no reason it couldn't go outs...   Sep 6 2022, 07:00 PM
914_teener   Time Out. There is a difference between testing a...   Sep 7 2022, 07:43 PM
Halfnelson   Finally got a chance to get to the 914 so can conf...   Sep 18 2022, 11:42 AM
emerygt350   Possibly but they look ok.   Sep 18 2022, 05:09 PM


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