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> Alternative location for Cylinder Head Temp Sender, Considering one of the #3 Cylinder exhaust studs
bobhasissues
post Oct 4 2011, 08:47 PM
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I have some new 914 2.0 repro heads from DRD. The new heads use a 12mm spark plug rather than the stock 14mm. I want to use a ring terminal type Cylinder Head Temperature Sender under the #3 spark plug just as I did on my stock heads. The problem is the outside diameter of the ring terminal of my 12mm CHT sender is larger than the bore of the spark plug hole so I can't put the sender under the #3 plug as designed. As many of you probably do, I had the 14mm ring terminal sender on my stock heads and that took a lot of manipulating of the terminal stem to get it to fit. This is way worse, the OD of the 12mm ring will not even fit into the plug bore.

I asked Darren at DRD what to do and he suggested to use the fuel injection CHT location out on a fin by the intake manifold. I don't like that idea because it seems too far away from the chambers to pick up any major temp fluctuations.

I'm considering changing to an 8mm ring terminal on the sender and double nutting it onto one of the #3 exhaust studs.

Anyone have a better location?


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post Jul 29 2021, 03:09 PM
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DubShop makes that thermocouple/thermister-thing for tuning warm-up on the Micro/Megasquirt. It's intended to be inserted under one of the engine tins screws (I use the one behind the #3 intake manifold). It's not intended as an accurate measurement of CHTs in the context of how we discuss them and the allowable temperatures.

One major advantage to that sensor is that it already has the pull-up built in, so all you have to do is wire it up to the MS (5V, ground, sense). It's the easy button for the purpose of managing engine warm-up and enrichment. Works great.

I also installed a standard K-Type thermocouple under the #3 plug to be used for tuning purposes, to ensure I'm not running too lean or hot. I ported that into the Microsquirt's ADC7 input via an Adafruit amplifier. It will not provide feedback to the ECU for corrections but I can log the data and later compare it to trends to see if I'm getting too hot (good so far). It can also provide warning limits if I'm using the ShadowTuner dash on an Android tablet.

So Ted, I suggest moving forward with the DubShop sensor for warm up enirchment and then work later toward adding the CHT for info.
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bobhasissues   Alternative location for Cylinder Head Temp Sender   Oct 4 2011, 08:47 PM
Jake Raby   Without the sensor under the plug the values that ...   Oct 4 2011, 09:08 PM
Valy   What is the expected range of the head temperature...   Oct 5 2011, 12:35 AM
Jake Raby   Dependent on load CHT can vary from 250-450 degree...   Oct 5 2011, 04:44 AM
tradisrad   I recently put in a CHT. I typically see temps aro...   Oct 5 2011, 07:40 AM
r_towle   if you are using the cht value to run a fuel injec...   Oct 5 2011, 08:05 AM
majkos   Have them make a couple extra, Digital Dakota ...   Oct 5 2011, 08:10 AM
Jake Raby   The stock CHT position for the EFI system is also ...   Oct 5 2011, 11:18 AM
SirAndy   That position is at minimum 100F lower than the un...   Oct 5 2011, 12:05 PM
r_towle   That position is at minimum 100F lower than the u...   Oct 5 2011, 12:25 PM
Valy   [quote name='SirAndy' post='1549735' date='Oct 5 ...   Oct 5 2011, 08:54 PM
Jake Raby   That position is at minimum 100F lower than the u...   Oct 6 2011, 12:40 AM
76-914   :hijacked: Sorry for the highjack but this seemed ...   Oct 6 2011, 08:13 AM
wndsrfr   I had the same issue with the 12mm plug and got so...   Oct 6 2011, 08:38 PM
bobhasissues   [url=http://www.thesensorconnection.com/index.sht...   Oct 6 2011, 09:30 PM
913B   I had the same issue with the 12mm plug and got s...   Jul 27 2021, 12:47 PM
worn   [quote name='wndsrfr' post='1550409' date='Oct 6 ...   Jul 27 2021, 08:22 PM
rick 918-S   I have the factory CHTS in the right head. Should ...   Oct 6 2011, 09:55 PM
r_towle   If you are using the cht for the fuel injection, y...   Oct 6 2011, 10:01 PM
rick 918-S   If you are using the cht for the fuel injection, ...   Oct 6 2011, 10:08 PM
r_towle   nope, you just need to start the damn thing alread...   Oct 7 2011, 07:20 AM
Dave_Darling   Is this sensor for the gauge, or is it for your mi...   Jul 27 2021, 05:20 PM
913B   Is this sensor for the gauge, or is it for your m...   Jul 27 2021, 10:38 PM
Dave_Darling   I don't know what kind of sender that one is f...   Jul 29 2021, 02:30 PM
GregAmy   DubShop makes that thermocouple/thermister-thing f...   Jul 29 2021, 03:09 PM
Dave_Darling   DubShop makes that thermocouple/thermister-thing ...   Jul 29 2021, 06:10 PM
bbrock   I just noticed the Dub Shop has a Type 4 version o...   Jul 29 2021, 05:19 PM
913B   If I am not mistaken it goes on the tin screw and ...   Jul 29 2021, 06:01 PM
bbrock   If I am not mistaken it goes on the tin screw and...   Jul 29 2021, 06:48 PM
930cabman   Contrary to what the experts are saying, I will be...   Jul 29 2021, 06:05 PM
GregAmy   I went with the one on the engine tin screw becaus...   Jul 29 2021, 08:24 PM
Frank S   I run a thermocouple under spark plug #3 and a BMW...   Jul 29 2021, 11:47 PM
GregAmy   I run a thermocouple under spark plug #3 and a BM...   Jul 30 2021, 06:31 AM
Frank S   The MS doesn't care if you use Mario's sen...   Jul 30 2021, 08:26 AM
Frank S   And here warmed up: You need to look for coola...   Jul 30 2021, 08:37 AM
Mark Henry   ... I do not, not, [b]not suggest you use this s...   Jul 30 2021, 08:56 AM
Frank S   I have the under the spark plug thermocouple at cy...   Jul 30 2021, 09:17 AM
bbrock   I am probably going to MS my engine over the winte...   Jul 30 2021, 03:03 PM


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