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> MPS rebuild, mission accomplished
emerygt350
post Oct 27 2021, 12:07 PM
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I just used Chris Foley's excellent rebuild kit on my leaky MPS. After removing the spider webs and varnish it all went together nicely. Chris gave me some great tips on getting an initial set. I think it is there but I don't have any experience with how a well tuned djet 2.0 914 should run. I suspect there is probably 150k or so on this engine although it could be lower, I doubt higher unless it was cared for very very well. Impossible to know with the dead odometer. Compression is great on all cylinders with no variability.

I took a little video of a drive, start up, corners, and two pulls to 60 (of various quality). After the first 40 seconds I opened my sliding rear window so you can hear the engine sounds better.

https://youtu.be/Fi4vFCWhlCw
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post Dec 6 2021, 05:38 AM
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Sorry, I put mm but meant inches. I will fix that.

I am glad someone can use inductance. I found it to be of little value. Certainly my lcr is cheap but I do feel better about tuning it by Dyno and afr.
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post Dec 6 2021, 05:42 AM
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Would be awesome to have a way to check your lcr. Also, that table doesn't seem to do any adjustment for alt. Might just be my phone's browser.

Yeah, just checked it on my laptop. Just didn't like my phone. The readings for alt are only around .01 different for me.

Considering the MPS rebuild is around 200 dollars, buying a 250 dollar LCR could be better spent on buying a good WB02 instead.
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post Dec 6 2021, 06:26 AM
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QUOTE(emerygt350 @ Dec 6 2021, 06:42 AM) *

Would be awesome to have a way to check your lcr. Also, that table doesn't seem to do any adjustment for alt. Might just be my phone's browser.


We honestly don't know if Ander's results are accurate, but we do know that he used a LCR55 so it's best to use the same tool. Others have reported significant differences between it and other meters.

The MPS site should have a field into which you can enter your altitude and then press the submit button. The bottom half of the table should then be adjusted based on the altitude setting.

Also, if the site detects that your device has GPS capabilities you should be prompted to allow access to location services. If you allow it it should display the current altitude in the upper right with a button to use the current altitude. If you press that buttion the current altitude will be copied into the field on the left and then you need to press submit to adjust the table using that value.
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post Dec 6 2021, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE(adolimpio @ Dec 6 2021, 04:26 AM) *


We honestly don't know if Ander's results are accurate, but we do know that he used a LCR55 so it's best to use the same tool. Others have reported significant differences between it and other meters.



A few of us were around when Brad developed his MPS calibration values, he wporked very methodically. He collected several NOS and otherwise excellet condition orignal, known reliable, MPSs of each part number and characterized each with the LCR55, to generate the values depicted. The values are averages of several MPS values of the same part number, and are as accurate as are available.

With that comes the knowledge we must recognize that different MPS factory original NOS MPS units are not identical calibrations, but are fairly close in range. I can also tell you that an MPS calibration based on 0, 4 and 15 is a good summary and the best informaiont known at the time, but values for 12 and 18 are also valuable and the calibrations for those load conditions are important when using a dyno or WB02 to understand the engine performance over the full range of operating conditions.

Engines and their fueling system must be balanced. You can take a perfectly correct fueling/induction system from one engine and bolt it on another engine and it may not be 100% correct for that engine. The engine itself brings with it variables in wear, compresion/vacuum, and a myriad of other things - so that an MPS calibrated perfectly for one set-up may not be 100% correct for another. It was much easier to do on the production line when everything was new and predicatable, not so much now with the variables in our engines 50 years later.


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emerygt350   MPS rebuild   Oct 27 2021, 12:07 PM
emerygt350   As they would say in Minnesota, uffda, that's ...   Oct 27 2021, 01:58 PM
JeffBowlsby   ...Turned the inner screw a full rotation to the ...   Oct 28 2021, 07:16 AM
rjames   ...Turned the inner screw a full rotation to the...   Oct 28 2021, 01:30 PM
Quinn Moore   I just used Chris Foley's excellent rebuild k...   Oct 27 2021, 03:02 PM
emerygt350   Yes, I got the tuning kit, and well worth it. Chr...   Oct 27 2021, 03:25 PM
BeatNavy   The tuning kit does not come with instructions on ...   Oct 27 2021, 03:29 PM
emerygt350   I have a good one but I just don't want to dri...   Oct 27 2021, 03:42 PM
ChrisFoley   PB Anders did a great job of characterizing the d-...   Oct 28 2021, 05:48 AM
jrmdir   OP, I hope this doesn't amount to hijacking yo...   Oct 28 2021, 07:49 AM
emerygt350   I had the exact same inductance readings as well. ...   Oct 28 2021, 08:21 AM
ChrisFoley   Idle is a bit too high even with the idle screw ...   Oct 28 2021, 10:25 AM
jrmdir   Yes, that terminology and process is exactly what ...   Oct 28 2021, 08:48 AM
rjames   Maybe there's a reason why pbanders specifie...   Oct 28 2021, 01:37 PM
adolimpio   You really need an O2 meter to get it right, but i...   Oct 28 2021, 02:37 PM
emerygt350   I am almost there... still a little lean on the p...   Oct 28 2021, 02:56 PM
BeatNavy   I was chasing my tail on inductance readings with ...   Oct 28 2021, 03:17 PM
emerygt350   Yeah, as soon as I get it in a good spot I am goin...   Oct 29 2021, 06:50 AM
ChrisFoley   As another point of reference: I just unscrewed an...   Oct 29 2021, 09:05 AM
emerygt350   Arggh... No change on the plug. I am going to dou...   Oct 29 2021, 10:03 AM
emerygt350   Brought the fuel pressure up from 28.5ish to 32psi...   Oct 29 2021, 02:07 PM
emerygt350   Just an update on this. No matter how I fiddled w...   Nov 7 2021, 11:02 AM
emerygt350   I thought I would close this thread up with my res...   Dec 5 2021, 01:35 PM
BeatNavy   Obviously these values look nothing like what pba...   Dec 5 2021, 02:15 PM
emerygt350   Obviously these values look nothing like what pb...   Dec 5 2021, 03:48 PM
JeffBowlsby   I am sure thats differneces with the meter. Be in...   Dec 5 2021, 03:22 PM
adolimpio   First, Ander's reference in is inches of mercu...   Dec 5 2021, 09:58 PM
BeatNavy   First, Ander's reference in is inches of merc...   Dec 6 2021, 06:30 AM
emerygt350   Sorry, I put mm but meant inches. I will fix that...   Dec 6 2021, 05:38 AM
emerygt350   Would be awesome to have a way to check your lcr. ...   Dec 6 2021, 05:42 AM
adolimpio   Would be awesome to have a way to check your lcr....   Dec 6 2021, 06:26 AM
JeffBowlsby   We honestly don't know if Ander's result...   Dec 6 2021, 10:50 AM
emerygt350   Just took it for a little spin with my Dakota digi...   Dec 9 2021, 03:30 PM
914rrr   Thanks to all for the great write-up! I...   Jan 10 2024, 02:58 PM
JeffBowlsby   Any tips for de-potting the adjustment screws? ...   Jan 10 2024, 05:27 PM
JamesM   Any tips for de-potting the adjustment screws? ...   Jan 11 2024, 01:55 AM
emerygt350   The rivets are easy. Getting the plug out is the ...   Jan 10 2024, 03:07 PM
914rrr   Speaking of MPS's, here's a great 3D rende...   Jan 10 2024, 03:10 PM
rjames   Speaking of MPS's, here's a great 3D rend...   Jan 10 2024, 06:59 PM
914rrr   Speaking of MPS's, here's a great 3D ren...   Jan 12 2024, 08:02 AM
emerygt350   That's awesome.   Jan 10 2024, 03:25 PM
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