BAT - Twin-Plug 2.5L-Powered 1970 Porsche 914-6 Race Car Options

[gms]

Most Expensive chassis swap I have seen!

$92,000

Here

They didn't even try and hide it


dash vent hole...Not on a 1970!


1971 and later reinforcement

[Superhawk996]

This has been argued before.

VIN swapping is unethical and it is not legal. It's pretty simple really.

Race cars get into different territory since they often aren't registered with the state and are a means to an end on the track.

I don't know sanctioning body rules on VIN swapping. Is there a class where it the vintage 914/6 VIN would be required? If not, someone just paid 914/6 pricing for a 914/4 with an illegally pasted on VIN.

[ClayPerrine]

VIN swapping is unethical and it is not legal. It's pretty simple really.

Please clarify that... In the state of Texas, the official word is that the part of the vehicle the VIN is stamped into IS the vehicle. The rest of the chassis are parts that are added onto the vehicle.

So here in Texas, If I buy a right inner fender and a title, I legally own a 914. I can legally buy another chassis, and transfer the COMPLETE inner fender to that chassis and it becomes the 914 I own.

That is officially NOT a VIN swap. I am replacing parts on a car I own.

Now how ethical that is, well if I am not planning on selling the car, I don't care one way or another. If I disclose that the vehicle was repaired when I sell it, and I make it clear that it was an extensive repair, and outline all of what was done, then that is ethical.

But you need to rethink your "it is not legal" response. The legality is very much determined by the state you reside in.

Clay

[Superhawk996]

The legality is very much determined by the state you reside in.

Clay

I'm not a lawyer so I'll put that on the table right up front. What you state may be true as long as the vehicle never leaves Texas.

US Deptment of Justice and NHTSA also have purview over VIN's and VIN swapping.

Nissan and other automakers have sought out guidance w.r.t. replacing VIN's on vehicle that have been stolen - for which OEM still retained title. If it were as straight forward as you suggest I don't think the OEM's would be seeking guidance from NHTSA.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/interpretations/nht94-337

and the followup response from NHTSA.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/interpretations/10098b

Likewise here is a quick link to US Dept. of Justice that specifically references VIN law for US.

https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/crimina...ication-numbers

Section 511(a) of Title 18 makes it a felony knowingly to remove, obliterate, tamper with, or alter an identification number for a road motor vehicle or a road motor vehicle part. Section 511(b) of Title 18 creates exceptions for certain persons who engage in lawful conduct that may result in removal or alteration of an identification number. The legislative history is abundantly clear that subsection (b) is not intended to create a loophole for the operators of "chop shops." See H.R.Rep. No. 1087 on H.R. 6257, 98th Congress, 2d Sess. 23-25 (1984).

So it's not quite as simple as what Texas law is or is not. Especially, if the VIN is to transfer title from Texas to elsewhere.

Now do I think the Dept of Justice is likely to get involved with the 914/6 in this post. Not likely. But you will want a good lawyer when the conversation gets around to moving the window VIN tag over and/or reproduction of any emission cert sticker for a 914/6 doorjamb were that to happen to the property you might legally own.

I'll apologize if I'm coming off as a Smart Alec. I was once the victim of a 914/6 VIN swap and didn't find it to be amusing.