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> L Jet vacuum leak pursuit '74 1.8, How does this work?
nihil44
post Feb 23 2022, 08:57 PM
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I have bragged to my carburettored friends about how the '74 1.8 L Jet starts off the key even after a lay off of a month or so. Lately it has required two cranks to start. I suspected a vacuum leak as I pulled a plug and the pluf looks like the mixture is lean but the exhaust tips are black

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I made a smoke maker based on this YouTube site

THE BEST SMOKE TESTER YOU CAN BUILD!! / THE MR. FUSION MINI BUILD - YouTube

Applied smoke into the intake system and this is what resulted.

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Over the years I have read about ensuring the oil filler cap has a good O ring and cap seal otherwise unmeasured air will enter the intake system downstream from the Air Flow Meter and cause a disturbance in the A/F ratio determined by the ECU.

There is a factory hole in the oil filler cap as revealed by the smoke test. I have 2 filler caps and they both have the small hole.

How does this work if the L Jet intake system is supposed to be closed?

I was expecting the smoke test to reveal a vacuum leak in the intake boot or elsewhere and that would be the 'aha' moment. Not so lucky. However I would like to confirm that the intake system is vacuum leak free.

Would appreciate some explanation from the collective brain trust.

A word of caution: If doing a smoke test, perform it outside or in a well ventilated garage otherwise it will set off the smoke detectors. How would I know this?

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post Feb 24 2022, 04:47 PM
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@nihil44 there are about 5 posts to read in that samba thread.
ignore 75% of them.

the type 4 engine running L jet in the bus (and other vws) does have crank-case vent using a valve. the valve is on top of the rectangular baffle chamber just like our oil filler tube.

unlike D jet or the bus/kombi pcv valve, we do not have a valve on our L jets.
its a straight oil filler tube with the vapor hose out the side.

why VW wanted a valve on the kombis i don't know.
but they did.
that valve closes when the engine is switched off and vapors stay in the crankcase.
maybe it had to do with the orientation of all the inlet components in the engine bay.
ie oil could condense in the inlet air duct and run down to the AFM unit.
i really don't know.

for some reason they were confident with no valve in ours and valves in other model type engines.

they cobbled together the components for these two different set up using plastic sub components. that much is clear.

the central part of the oil filler cap on our cars is the same as the top section of the pcv valve in the type 4 kombi. its a much bigger pcv valve than it is for d jet engines on those kombis.

and in there is a membrane valve that works off crankcase pressure pulses. releasing vapors to the intake system for burning during combustion. its pretty simple.

the pinhole is necessary to the membrane being able to be pushed up and then return to the closed position at rest and seal off the crankcase from the induction system.

the pinhole is not an opening to the atmosphere in the induction system.

the pinhole is not a crankcase pressure relief valve, there is a membrane in the way.

so in my view that pinhole is not meant to be open in the 914.

or in the kombi.

and if you can force smoke out of it.
- that means
in a kombi the membrane has failed - and your pcv valve is kaput.
or in a 914 something has given out in the top of the cap that normally seals the hole.



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nihil44   L Jet vacuum leak pursuit '74 1.8   Feb 23 2022, 08:57 PM
wonkipop   sh$t. oh no. thats got me beat,.........and...   Feb 24 2022, 12:44 AM
wonkipop   i just went and looked at mine. same pinprick hole...   Feb 24 2022, 12:48 AM
djway   When I did my smoke test nothing came out that hol...   Feb 24 2022, 01:35 AM
wonkipop   When I did my smoke test nothing came out that ho...   Feb 24 2022, 02:36 AM
wonkipop   i read that samba thread from end to end. not tha...   Feb 24 2022, 05:09 AM
Van B   I think we have a bit of a red herring here. Base...   Feb 24 2022, 08:40 AM
nihil44   @wonkipop Yep. I read the Samba article and it d...   Feb 24 2022, 04:07 PM
wonkipop   @nihil44 there are about 5 posts to read in that ...   Feb 24 2022, 04:47 PM
wonkipop   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Feb 24 2022, 05:02 PM
Van B   Considering I have never heard and am not even sur...   Feb 24 2022, 06:14 PM
wonkipop   Considering I have never heard and am not even su...   Feb 24 2022, 07:01 PM
Van B   Massively versatile slang right there!   Feb 24 2022, 07:15 PM
nihil44   I have been looking a little more closely at th...   Feb 28 2022, 10:35 PM
Van B   It was gnawing at you eh? Well that pin hole is th...   Feb 28 2022, 10:57 PM
nihil44   Van, Haven't been driving the car much. Biblic...   Mar 1 2022, 01:36 AM
wonkipop   Van, Haven't been driving the car much. Bibli...   Mar 1 2022, 02:18 AM
Van B   Van, Haven't been driving the car much. Bibli...   Mar 1 2022, 08:07 AM
wonkipop   @nihil44 looking close at photo you posted of in...   Mar 1 2022, 04:51 PM
wonkipop   @nihil44 i am looking at our cap and oil filler ...   Mar 1 2022, 05:34 PM
wonkipop   here you go @nihil44 . why your remark about neg...   Mar 1 2022, 08:46 PM
wonkipop   ok @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Mar 1 2022, 10:54 PM
nihil44   @wonkipop Man that is some dissertation on the f...   Mar 2 2022, 03:16 AM
wonkipop   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?show...   Mar 2 2022, 05:23 AM
Van B   well it's a good thing those caps are NLA... I...   Mar 2 2022, 08:20 AM
wonkipop   well it's a good thing those caps are NLA... ...   Mar 2 2022, 04:50 PM
wonkipop   well it's a good thing those caps are NLA... ...   Mar 2 2022, 08:58 PM
Van B   @wonkipop I did some part number tracing (because...   Mar 3 2022, 12:38 AM
wonkipop   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Mar 3 2022, 02:12 AM
Van B   Alright my Ozzy friends, I tested my oil cap toda...   Mar 6 2022, 05:13 PM
wonkipop   Alright my Ozzy friends, I tested my oil cap tod...   Mar 6 2022, 10:17 PM
Van B   Also, the PN on my cap is 022 115 303, not the PN ...   Mar 6 2022, 05:22 PM
emerygt350   Man that is such a cool looking cruck. I think yo...   Mar 7 2022, 02:52 PM
wonkipop   Man that is such a cool looking cruck. I think y...   Mar 7 2022, 03:33 PM
emerygt350   Oh yeah, that sounds like a great motor. Was it m...   Mar 7 2022, 03:47 PM
wonkipop   Oh yeah, that sounds like a great motor. Was it ...   Mar 7 2022, 04:10 PM
emerygt350   That thing is just begging for a turbo....   Mar 7 2022, 08:24 PM
wonkipop   That thing is just begging for a turbo.... http...   Mar 7 2022, 09:50 PM


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