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> Simple Anti-Theft Switch, Wiring suggestions
FlatSix
post Mar 14 2022, 09:42 AM
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So I want to install a switch hidden under the dash to stop the engine starting.
Having done a search, the black/purple wire going to the tachometer seemed a likely candidate to break the circuit. However, when I disconnected it from the tach, the car would still start!
Which wire should I use?
The engine is a 1973 2.0 four cylinder with fuel injection.
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jrmdir
post Mar 15 2022, 10:20 AM
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Hi:

There are some good ideas here and perhaps the most straightforward, as has been mentioned, is the grounding of the tach wire approach. But apparently having too much time on my hands (and wanting to avoid working on taxes!) this off-the-wall approach came to mind and I'm sharing just for fun. (Still needs to be validated with a prototype if I can get around to it.)

The idea is to interrupt the +IGN wire at the coil by inserting a simple latching relay as shown. When energized, the engine can be started normally. Because of the latching connection, the relay will stay energized until the key is turned off.

So all that's needed is a momentary +12 application to the relay coil and it seemed to me that the heater fan switch would be a cool way to to do this from the driver's seat. Pull up on the lever to latch the relay, then push it back down. Start the car and you're off.

Since this scheme ties the +IGN together with the fan +12, a suitable diode is needed to keep the fan from running all the time.

However, any momentary shot of +12 would work if you want to run the wires (e.g reverse lights, fog lights, maybe even a turn signal.)

I'm probably missing something so feel free to poke holes and or suggest enhancements. (One thought is an optional bypass switch in the engine compartment in case the relay and/or heater switch or fuse fails at some point.)

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Ron

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post Mar 15 2022, 10:31 AM
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I'm a seriously KISS guy. And one issue with your design...

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When energized, the engine can be started normally. Because of the latching connection, the relay will stay energized until the key is turned off.

...is that a failure of that system leaves you dead in the water and unable to drive it away. Or worse, fails while you're in stop/go traffic on the Interstate -- in the middle lane, of course.

My recommendation is to design something that fails "safe", as in you can still drive it. Which will be 99.9999% of the time the car is attempted to start.

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My recommendation is to design something that fails "safe", as in you can still drive it. Which will be 99.9999% of the time the car is attempted to start.

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Per previous post, in today's Merica' a manual transmission is an anti theft device. If you still want to double down on that with a kill switch a simple on/off switch on the coil will do it.

Beyond that, not sure exactly what the goal is here.
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FlatSix   Simple Anti-Theft Switch   Mar 14 2022, 09:42 AM
Shivers   RE: Simple Anti-Theft Switch   Mar 14 2022, 09:55 AM
GregAmy   However, when I disconnected it from the tach, the...   Mar 14 2022, 10:25 AM
jvmarino   An easy anti-theft method is to pull the coil wire...   Mar 14 2022, 10:31 AM
FlatSix   Thanks. I'm really looking for a solution that...   Mar 14 2022, 10:41 AM
GregAmy   What are the implications of grounding the black/...   Mar 14 2022, 10:51 AM
Superhawk996   What are the implications of grounding the black...   Mar 14 2022, 12:54 PM
mepstein   Years ago I had my shop wire a cut off switch into...   Mar 14 2022, 10:45 AM
914e   In the US just being a manual transmission is anti...   Mar 14 2022, 10:56 AM
wonkipop   In the US just being a manual transmission is ant...   Mar 15 2022, 07:16 PM
ClayPerrine   If the car is injected, then just put in a switch ...   Mar 14 2022, 11:34 AM
porschetub   If the car is injected, then just put in a switch...   Mar 15 2022, 01:41 PM
vitamin914   I have a switch for the fuel pump and auxiliary oi...   Mar 14 2022, 12:19 PM
Chris914n6   Problem is all the important wires are in the engi...   Mar 14 2022, 12:25 PM
jhynesrockmtn   When I bought my 1970 the yellow switch was a bit ...   Mar 15 2022, 08:43 AM
jrmdir   Hi: There are some good ideas here and perhaps th...   Mar 15 2022, 10:20 AM
GregAmy   I'm a seriously KISS guy. And one issue with y...   Mar 15 2022, 10:31 AM
Superhawk996   My recommendation is to design something that f...   Mar 15 2022, 10:54 AM
Superhawk996   You may want to rethink that relay plan. The ign...   Mar 15 2022, 10:50 AM
mmichalik   I know you wanted a simple solution but, the Bluet...   Mar 15 2022, 10:56 AM
roblav1   I did the fuel pump switch thing on mine... about...   Mar 15 2022, 11:52 AM
emerygt350   I simply bought a chalon. Problem solved.   Mar 15 2022, 12:27 PM
Superhawk996   I simply bought a chalon. Problem solved. :lo...   Mar 15 2022, 06:22 PM
Maltese Falcon   I simply bought a chalon. Problem solved. Don...   Mar 15 2022, 09:27 PM
wonkipop   I simply bought a chalon. Problem solved. Don...   Mar 16 2022, 03:09 AM
GregAmy   I know the OP doesn't want to pop open the lid...   Mar 15 2022, 01:58 PM
vitamin914   The OP is from Poole, England. Yes, here (North A...   Mar 15 2022, 06:16 PM
GeorgeKopf   I wonder if there is something like this for older...   Mar 15 2022, 07:03 PM
Unobtanium-inc   Best anti-theft I ever saw was my brother hooked u...   Mar 15 2022, 07:05 PM
windforfun   Move to a safer neighborhood & park your car i...   Mar 15 2022, 07:20 PM
r_towle   I am more worried about totally forgetting I did a...   Mar 15 2022, 07:24 PM
bkrantz   Get one of these?   Mar 15 2022, 09:18 PM
VegasRacer   Not really stealth, but it's what I have. :ph...   Mar 15 2022, 11:05 PM
emerygt350   Truthfully, the chalon only protects me from uppit...   Mar 16 2022, 05:11 AM
emerygt350   Examples You can probably find one that has a ...   Mar 16 2022, 05:14 AM
mate914   Go get one of those 123Dizzy's with bluetooth,...   Mar 16 2022, 06:27 AM
emerygt350   The bluetooth looks good but I have had way too ma...   Mar 16 2022, 07:36 AM
barefoot   I added an under the dash cut-off switch for the f...   Mar 16 2022, 08:37 AM
FlatSix   Some really interesting suggestions here, thank yo...   Mar 16 2022, 08:53 AM
ClayPerrine   Some really interesting suggestions here, thank y...   Mar 16 2022, 12:03 PM
willieg   I use a battery cutoff switch with a removable han...   Mar 16 2022, 12:48 PM


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