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914/4: 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 914/6: 70 71 72
| davep |
Sep 23 2007, 06:23 PM
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914 Historian ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,344 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
I require help with my research.
Typically, the VW badge was riveted to the right headlight bucket up to the end of 1974 and made its way to the right upper corner of the fuel tank bulkhead in 1975. Also, the body number was originally stamped into the rear trunk floor and made its was to a black riveted tag on the support below the right headlight bucket, as well as being found on the Karmann badge. At some point the body number base changed from xxy95zz to xxy90zz. I require everyone to help with changeover VIN, and body number for each of the changes. Please add paint code and date code from the compliance decal as well. Attached image(s)
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| davep |
Mar 18 2022, 06:19 PM
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914 Historian ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,344 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
It would appear then that the 914 shared the Karmann line with Beetles, and the Karmann build # could be for either model. What we need to do then is to gather more examples of the Karmann tag numbers, VIN, DOT labels and paint codes and see how they fit. My guess is that they mesh.
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| wonkipop |
Mar 19 2022, 03:39 PM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,289 Joined: 6-May 20 From: north antarctica Member No.: 24,231 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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It would appear then that the 914 shared the Karmann line with Beetles, and the Karmann build # could be for either model. What we need to do then is to gather more examples of the Karmann tag numbers, VIN, DOT labels and paint codes and see how they fit. My guess is that they mesh. yes, i think your suggestion of sharing the line with beetle cabriolets in late 74 for 75 MY could be the reason. you can find all those factory photos showing that kgs and vw cabs came down the line together in earlier years. in the 60s it looked karmann put three types through all mixed togehter inclluding type 3 ghias. what photos there are of 914 production seem to show them having their own separate production line. photos i mention probably at an early period of the model life? the production figures from 73 to 75 tell an interesting story. hard to know if figures around are MY figures or calendar year, but the general indications tell enough. all three models go into serious decline. kg stops in 74 MY. for 75 there is only 7925 914s (def cal year number) and 5,327 vw cabs. 914 numbers half of 74 and cab numbers similar halving. a smart company would have rationalised the lines and space in the factory. need more historic info on what karmann did in terms of their factory after mid 74, but probably either shifted cabs over to section where they made 914s or vise versa and started setting up new production line for the water cooled vw scirroco? whatever is going on that @MCShack has picked up on is after summer break of 74 and the end of kg production. info i came across said 500,000 scirocco mk 1 s made from 74 to 81. = av 70,000 per year. seriously more production volume than any previous karmann vw model. about 3 to 4 times best 914 numbers or cab numbers. think best vw cab numbers were 18,000. less than best 914 numbers. would have needed a good amount of factory space and probably two shifts a day maybe to pump out the sciroccos? big changes at factory. definitely the reason for ending 914 production at end of 75 calendar year was expanding the production line to gear up for scirocco production for USA market which came after introduction in europe for 75 MY, 74 calendar year. folks talk of 924 as successor to 914. only if you take a USA/porsche perspective. in europe makes more sense to see the scirocco as the 914 successor? sciroccos early on used same seven digit PKN number (referred to here as karmann body number) system as beetles 914s etc. with a particular 5th digit assigned to them? |
davep VW Badge location & body numbers Sep 23 2007, 06:23 PM
johannes mine has the plate on the tank bulkhead. 475900062... Sep 24 2007, 11:55 AM
Blood red 914-6gt My car date says 07/74.
The plate is up on the hea... Sep 24 2007, 12:31 PM
sixnotfour :blink: Jan 24 2022, 08:50 PM
dpolson My late '74 LE (...1221) has the body tag down... Sep 24 2007, 06:28 PM
kconway My 74 has the plate riveted to the right headlight... Sep 24 2007, 09:32 PM
Jeff Bowlsby Dave,
The lastest VIN I have data on from the LE ... Sep 25 2007, 03:27 PM
davep Jeff, you are correct, but I did not expect that i... Sep 25 2007, 09:06 PM
Gustl Dave, here are my car's numbers / badges:
47... Sep 26 2007, 11:04 AM
Gustl 2639549
L 65 K Sep 26 2007, 11:06 AM
Johny Blackstain LE has no little plate in the lower front trunk ... Sep 26 2007, 12:00 PM
Johny Blackstain LE VIN plate & Kharmann badge- Sep 26 2007, 12:03 PM
Johny Blackstain LE VIN sticker & trunk stamping, on right side... Sep 26 2007, 12:06 PM
davep That helps guys. Gustl's car moved the week ba... Sep 26 2007, 04:32 PM
Pat Garvey This is cool stuff!
If I keep watching & ... Sep 26 2007, 08:18 PM
Johny Blackstain Dave- the six is a US car, has a windshield VIN pl... Sep 26 2007, 08:41 PM
HAM Inc Dave I turned my 74 into a F-Prod car. I stripped ... Sep 27 2007, 10:33 AM
davep
It has a tag in the spare tire area, but I can... Sep 27 2007, 11:10 AM
HAM Inc Yep, it had the black tag. Hope that helps! Sep 27 2007, 02:03 PM
woobn8r My '74 VIN# 4742917230 has only two rivet hole... Oct 2 2007, 10:15 AM
davep Sean, send me the photos, and I'll post them.
... Oct 2 2007, 11:05 AM
woobn8r
Sean, send me the photos, and I'll post them.... Oct 2 2007, 12:13 PM
shelby/914 Here's the data on my '74
Oct 3 2007, 08:22 PM
shelby/914 one more, and no #s in the rear trunk
Oct 3 2007, 08:25 PM
sendjonathanmail S/N: 4742915316 BUILD DATE: 3/74 BODY #: 1039507 Oct 4 2007, 05:30 PM
davep Please be very specific in your replies. Check bot... Oct 4 2007, 07:42 PM
woobn8r
It seems to me that woobn8r may have some panels ... Oct 5 2007, 09:47 AM
sendjonathanmail alright dave...took a better look, and found it...... Oct 4 2007, 08:27 PM
ClayPerrine Dave,
I got your note. Betty's vin is 474291... Oct 4 2007, 09:33 PM
davep Thanks Clay, that does indeed prove the use of the... Oct 4 2007, 09:57 PM
davep Sean has provided the following photos. I have no ... Oct 5 2007, 12:17 PM
davep closeup shows no holes in bucket, but holes for th... Oct 5 2007, 12:20 PM
davep other info Oct 5 2007, 12:21 PM
jaminM3 Here is a car that was on Ebay( I have been keepin... Oct 6 2007, 02:43 PM
davep Well, Dan (shelby/914) confirms he has the number ... Oct 7 2007, 07:07 PM
sendjonathanmail took some pics (finally) of the tags in different ... Oct 19 2007, 04:52 PM
davep It has been only 13 years, but it is time to resur... Apr 9 2020, 10:21 PM
davep So, no response in the last year, but I am forever... Nov 15 2021, 07:49 AM
wonkipop
So, no response in the last year, but I am foreve... Jan 24 2022, 10:13 PM
wonkipop @davep
have you tried to pm member oakpark. ha... Jan 25 2022, 02:13 PM
davep Thanks for the data point. I have a list of 250 ca... Jan 25 2022, 07:56 PM
L-Jet914
Thanks for the data point. I have a list of 250 c... Mar 22 2022, 10:34 PM
L-Jet914
Thanks for the data point. I have a list of 250 c... May 29 2022, 11:03 PM
wonkipop yep, its a slog.
it is an interesting change.
su... Jan 26 2022, 03:40 AM
L-Jet914 I just got around to logging into the website afte... Feb 1 2022, 07:52 PM
MCShack
Thanks Clay, that does indeed prove the use of th... Mar 10 2022, 01:33 PM
MCShack Notice that the 5th digit (3rd from end) in the Ch... Mar 10 2022, 01:50 PM
wonkipop
Notice that the 5th digit (3rd from end) in the C... Mar 12 2022, 05:52 AM
wonkipop
It would appear then that the 914 shared the Karm... Jan 5 2024, 03:49 PM
davep Perhaps there are Karmann aficionados with much gr... Mar 23 2022, 07:03 PM
wonkipop
Perhaps there are Karmann aficionados with much g... Mar 23 2022, 07:31 PM
wonkipop @davep
i have worked out a bit more of the patte... Mar 25 2022, 07:47 AM
wonkipop @davep and [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2... Mar 25 2022, 04:51 PM
davep @wonkipop
I have my own sources for data and make... Mar 26 2022, 07:38 AM
Shivers RE: VW Badge location & body numbers May 7 2022, 12:46 PM
Shivers RE: VW Badge location & body numbers May 7 2022, 12:47 PM
davep Thanks for that data point. Did your compliance de... May 8 2022, 10:07 PM
Shivers
Thanks for that data point. Did your compliance d... May 8 2022, 11:17 PM
Cairo94507 That's the one. :beer2: May 9 2022, 09:48 AM
cholland_
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s... May 15 2022, 07:24 PM
wonkipop @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu... May 16 2022, 06:00 PM
cholland_
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s... May 27 2022, 06:24 AM
wonkipop @cholland_
- hang on to that car mate. :beer2:
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