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> L-Jet going full Rich on Deceleration
Brian Fuerbach
post Mar 27 2022, 06:36 PM
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1974 1.8 with L- jet. Been playing with a wide band air fuel meter and noticed that when I lift the throttle the AFR goes to max value on the gauge. I thought it was supposed to go lean. I checked the throttle position switch and it checks out fine. Going to check the wiring harness next.

What else should I check? Decel valve?
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post Mar 28 2022, 04:20 PM
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I would bet it does, otherwise they would have just run it into the air cleaner pre-afm. But what does it say!!!? Perhaps the same thing it says when the aar is open? What does the fox say?
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post Mar 28 2022, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE(emerygt350 @ Mar 28 2022, 04:20 PM) *

I would bet it does, otherwise they would have just run it into the air cleaner pre-afm. But what does it say!!!? Perhaps the same thing it says when the aar is open? What does the fox say?



here is a bit of the story emery.

i knew L jet did something where it cut off fuel.
hence the reason the fuel pressure regulator is plumbed into plenum vacuum along iwth decel.

we like to joke about these things being from the jurassic age.
but really its the ice ages and wooly mammoth era.

carbies were around with t-rex.

there is a bit of talking going on to the old lunar module era ECU and it can sort of think in a preconditioned pregrogrammed routine way.
its getting sensor information also from the dizzy to tell it what is going on during coasting after throttle closes.

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so if you come off revs with the engine spinning fast enough it knows what is going on.
cuts off fuel until a certain point where revs are low enough and resumes supply despite throttle switch being at idle position. so there is a primitive neuron dedicated to that input.

must be similar with decel valve. knows that if flap is being pulled open a certain amount but throttle switch is in idle position then its got to do the decel thing and another neuron flashes on and does that routine.

so not exactly an overide, more a response to very particular environmental inputs.

its dumb, but kind of like a three year old or a chimpanzee. pick up the red box and you can have a peanut sort of thing.

still can't answer the fuel rich thing on deacceleration exactly.
but in a standard L jet set up with the original dizzy, there are a few things going on.
and all of them are really leaning it out. first no fuel. then some fuel and some air to stop it dying in its tracks (the decel valve) and then finally we are idle revs and it settling down.

but i had remembered right about the fuel cutting off. and i think it does it quite differently with D Jet but again i just know its different, but not how its different because i don't do D jet.
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Brian Fuerbach   L-Jet going full Rich on Deceleration   Mar 27 2022, 06:36 PM
emerygt350   My mustang goes super lean on throttle lift, as it...   Mar 27 2022, 06:44 PM
Van B   I haven’t measured my AFR to compare so, I canâ€...   Mar 27 2022, 07:19 PM
Brian Fuerbach   I haven’t measured my AFR to compare so, I canâ...   Mar 27 2022, 09:50 PM
Van B   Ok so, two thoughts: 1.) set your decel valve to ...   Mar 27 2022, 10:04 PM
Brian Fuerbach   Ok so, two thoughts: 1.) set your decel valve to...   Mar 27 2022, 10:45 PM
Brian Fuerbach   Ok so, two thoughts: 1.) set your decel valve to...   Mar 28 2022, 10:34 PM
Van B   Ok, I’m too tired to think straight but yes, you...   Mar 28 2022, 12:29 AM
wonkipop   Ok, I’m too tired to think straight but yes, yo...   Mar 28 2022, 01:34 AM
emerygt350   But here he is running a 123 right? so you have to...   Mar 28 2022, 08:43 AM
Van B   Definitely possible. As you've seen through my...   Mar 28 2022, 09:13 AM
Van B   Definitely possible. As you've seen through m...   Mar 28 2022, 09:17 AM
emerygt350   Definitely possible. As you've seen through ...   Mar 28 2022, 09:24 AM
Van B   AFM is literally the barn door. it attaches to the...   Mar 28 2022, 09:36 AM
emerygt350   AFM is literally the barn door. it attaches to th...   Mar 28 2022, 10:38 AM
Van B   AFM is literally the barn door. it attaches to t...   Mar 28 2022, 10:43 AM
wonkipop   AFM is literally the barn door. it attaches to th...   Mar 28 2022, 03:00 PM
ClayPerrine   The AFM in an L-Jet system will push fuel into the...   Mar 28 2022, 09:48 AM
emerygt350   So a decel hooked to the boot would be unmeasured ...   Mar 28 2022, 10:37 AM
Van B   So a decel hooked to the boot would be unmeasured...   Mar 28 2022, 10:42 AM
wonkipop   So a decel hooked to the boot would be unmeasured...   Mar 28 2022, 03:41 PM
emerygt350   Is this correct? I know they changed stuff every...   Mar 28 2022, 10:44 AM
emerygt350   If it is, man that doesn't make much sense to ...   Mar 28 2022, 10:47 AM
Van B   If it is, man that doesn't make much sense to...   Mar 28 2022, 10:56 AM
emerygt350   Too much advance could certainly do it, but there ...   Mar 28 2022, 11:02 AM
Van B   the little subset square on the airbox is meant to...   Mar 28 2022, 10:45 AM
Brian Fuerbach   Regardless of the vac adv or retard, the centrifug...   Mar 28 2022, 01:43 PM
Van B   Regardless of the vac adv or retard, the centrifu...   Mar 28 2022, 05:16 PM
emerygt350   Yeah,we were only speculating on 'way too much...   Mar 28 2022, 02:04 PM
r_towle   My experience with this is two things. 1) a dirty ...   Mar 28 2022, 03:06 PM
emerygt350   But wonkipop, that completely ignores the ecus res...   Mar 28 2022, 03:52 PM
wonkipop   But wonkipop, that completely ignores the ecus re...   Mar 28 2022, 03:56 PM
emerygt350   I would bet it does, otherwise they would have jus...   Mar 28 2022, 04:20 PM
wonkipop   I would bet it does, otherwise they would have ju...   Mar 28 2022, 04:59 PM
emerygt350   It would be interesting to know what the dizzy con...   Mar 28 2022, 05:09 PM
wonkipop   It would be interesting to know what the dizzy co...   Mar 28 2022, 05:53 PM
wonkipop   ps i was trying to look for info on the fpr in th...   Mar 28 2022, 06:40 PM
wonkipop   @Emerygt350 . always have to go back and re-read ...   Mar 28 2022, 08:11 PM
Van B   Your vac readings are what my decel valve yielded ...   Mar 28 2022, 10:55 PM
wonkipop   Your vac readings are what my decel valve yielded...   Mar 29 2022, 12:51 AM
wonkipop   i'll translate the above rambling thought. be...   Mar 29 2022, 01:08 AM
wonkipop   i did a bit more reading. because i was intereste...   Mar 29 2022, 07:25 AM
emerygt350   That makes good sense.   Mar 29 2022, 08:59 AM
Brian Fuerbach   Appreciate all the replys. Took me a bit to read t...   Mar 29 2022, 02:37 PM
wonkipop   Appreciate all the replys. Took me a bit to read ...   Mar 29 2022, 03:02 PM
Brian Fuerbach   Appreciate all the replys. Took me a bit to read...   Mar 29 2022, 04:10 PM
wonkipop   try measuring the Air Fuel Mix at idle too to comp...   Mar 29 2022, 04:45 PM
wonkipop   @Brian Fuerbach that description above about L je...   Mar 29 2022, 05:04 PM
Brian Fuerbach   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Mar 29 2022, 07:36 PM
wonkipop   that is correct brian   Mar 29 2022, 08:26 PM
wonkipop   i am doing some more reading on just how the L jet...   Mar 29 2022, 08:38 PM
Brian Fuerbach   by looking for info on your afr condition i now...   Mar 30 2022, 09:36 AM
wonkipop   by looking for info on your afr condition i no...   Mar 30 2022, 04:09 PM
Brian Fuerbach   [quote name='Brian Fuerbach' post='2991765' date=...   Mar 30 2022, 05:20 PM
emerygt350   The fouling is something to think about though. I...   Mar 30 2022, 05:03 AM
wonkipop   The fowling is something to think about though. ...   Mar 30 2022, 06:39 AM
emerygt350   The fowling is something to think about though. ...   Mar 30 2022, 06:47 AM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='2991722' date='Mar 3...   Mar 30 2022, 04:16 PM
Brian Fuerbach   [quote name='wonkipop' post='2991722' date='Mar ...   Mar 30 2022, 05:10 PM
emerygt350   [quote name='wonkipop' post='2991854' date='Mar 3...   Mar 30 2022, 05:30 PM
emerygt350   Let's just blame autocorrect on all of that......   Mar 30 2022, 05:26 PM
wonkipop   Let's just blame autocorrect on all of that.....   Mar 30 2022, 05:59 PM
wonkipop   chookyard = chickenyard. think the limeys call th...   Mar 30 2022, 05:39 PM
Van B   chookyard = chickenyard. think the limeys call t...   Mar 30 2022, 08:26 PM
wonkipop   chookyard = chickenyard. think the limeys call ...   Mar 30 2022, 09:38 PM
wonkipop   here is another note on that decel thing. the ide...   Mar 30 2022, 06:16 PM
emerygt350   I bet Mr. Injector could tell us exactly how they ...   Mar 30 2022, 06:17 PM
wonkipop   I bet Mr. Injector could tell us exactly how they...   Mar 30 2022, 06:34 PM
Brian Fuerbach   I checked the fuel press reg and all is golden. :...   Mar 30 2022, 08:40 PM
wonkipop   I checked the fuel press reg and all is golden. ...   Mar 30 2022, 09:06 PM
Brian Fuerbach   I checked the fuel press reg and all is golden. ...   Mar 31 2022, 02:02 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='2991943' date='Mar 3...   Mar 31 2022, 03:30 PM
wonkipop   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Mar 31 2022, 04:30 PM
emerygt350   Does that line head into the plenum or the air box...   Mar 31 2022, 05:41 PM
Brian Fuerbach   Wonkipop, I did read the thread on on the cap. I ...   Mar 31 2022, 08:08 PM
wonkipop   Wonkipop, I did read the thread on on the cap. I...   Mar 31 2022, 09:23 PM
emerygt350   interesting. I assume that PCV system is like the...   Apr 1 2022, 06:42 AM
Brian Fuerbach   interesting. I assume that PCV system is like th...   Apr 1 2022, 01:26 PM
wonkipop   interesting. I assume that PCV system is like th...   Apr 1 2022, 04:33 PM
Brian Fuerbach   interesting. I assume that PCV system is like t...   Apr 1 2022, 05:17 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='2992472' date='Apr 1...   Apr 1 2022, 06:11 PM
emerygt350   No, no fuel cut on the djet, but I found the rich ...   Apr 1 2022, 06:15 PM
wonkipop   No, no fuel cut on the djet, but I found the rich...   Apr 1 2022, 06:21 PM
wonkipop   No, no fuel cut on the djet, but I found the rich...   Apr 1 2022, 06:42 PM
Van B   You guys just aren’t willing to talk about spark...   Apr 1 2022, 06:39 PM
wonkipop   You guys just aren’t willing to talk about spar...   Apr 1 2022, 06:47 PM
Brian Fuerbach   You guys just aren’t willing to talk about spa...   Apr 1 2022, 07:25 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='2992522' date='Apr 1...   Apr 1 2022, 07:38 PM
Van B   Distributor vacuum is read/pulled from the throttl...   Apr 1 2022, 07:05 PM
wonkipop   Distributor vacuum is read/pulled from the thrott...   Apr 1 2022, 07:24 PM
Van B   Distributor vacuum is read/pulled from the throt...   Apr 1 2022, 07:32 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='2992530' date='Apr 1...   Apr 1 2022, 07:44 PM
Van B   ok. so i have the distributor bit right. phew...   Apr 1 2022, 07:44 PM
wonkipop   ok. so i have the distributor bit right. phew...   Apr 1 2022, 07:47 PM
Van B   Right now I have a relay board baking in the oven ...   Apr 1 2022, 07:07 PM
wonkipop   Right now I have a relay board baking in the oven...   Apr 1 2022, 07:51 PM
wonkipop   that chart was great. just as a translation device...   Apr 1 2022, 08:16 PM
Brian Fuerbach   that chart was great. just as a translation devic...   Apr 2 2022, 02:42 PM
Van B   Yes. AFR is the bottom scale. There are various g...   Apr 2 2022, 03:45 PM
wonkipop   @Brian Fuerbach although that specific chart has...   Apr 2 2022, 06:19 PM
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