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Chaznaster
post May 24 2022, 05:45 PM
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Hello all. With the weather getting warmer, I have started thinking about getting a handle on my engine temperature. I looked at quite a few discussions on here and most were about interpreting/ calibrating the stock(ish) gauges.

I have no sender at the taco plate and no gauge.

I happened on the approach to measure with a dipstick thermometer but it appears those are all NLA.

I have a 123 dizzy that transmits temperature but am pretty sure the base of that is far away from the sump and probably not an accurate reading.

A few questions:
* Is the 123 temperature value good for anything? Maybe there is a conversion? Although I expect it will warm slower and cool faster than the sump in the best case.
* What is the most straightforward way (I am OK with some spend and even running wires to the dash) to get a reliable reading? Gauge (VDO or other), thermal camera pointed at the oil pan? Other?

I appreciate your guidance ...
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Jake Raby
post May 25 2022, 07:33 AM
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Oil temperature is not engine temperature. It is just oil temperature, and impacted by variables that only impact the oil.

The 123 gives a good indication of crankcase temperature, which is adequate in a water-cooled engine, but not very indicative of anything with our engines, where cylinder head temperatures make or break the engine.

My article on engine temperatures is still somewhere here on 914 World, it gives some good information.
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post May 25 2022, 10:16 AM
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QUOTE(Jake Raby @ May 25 2022, 09:33 AM) *

Oil temperature is not engine temperature. It is just oil temperature, and impacted by variables that only impact the oil.

The 123 gives a good indication of crankcase temperature, which is adequate in a water-cooled engine, but not very indicative of anything with our engines, where cylinder head temperatures make or break the engine.

My article on engine temperatures is still somewhere here on 914 World, it gives some good information.

Found this:
"914 Info" page -> Technical Articles -> » Type IV Cylinder Head Temperatures - by Jake Raby
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post May 25 2022, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE(SavingManuals @ May 25 2022, 09:16 AM) *

QUOTE(Jake Raby @ May 25 2022, 09:33 AM) *

Oil temperature is not engine temperature. It is just oil temperature, and impacted by variables that only impact the oil.

The 123 gives a good indication of crankcase temperature, which is adequate in a water-cooled engine, but not very indicative of anything with our engines, where cylinder head temperatures make or break the engine.

My article on engine temperatures is still somewhere here on 914 World, it gives some good information.

Found this:
"914 Info" page -> Technical Articles -> » Type IV Cylinder Head Temperatures - by Jake Raby

Very good! I just ordered the gauge and spark plug thermocouple.
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QUOTE(Lockwodo @ May 25 2022, 10:09 AM) *

QUOTE(SavingManuals @ May 25 2022, 09:16 AM) *

QUOTE(Jake Raby @ May 25 2022, 09:33 AM) *

Oil temperature is not engine temperature. It is just oil temperature, and impacted by variables that only impact the oil.

The 123 gives a good indication of crankcase temperature, which is adequate in a water-cooled engine, but not very indicative of anything with our engines, where cylinder head temperatures make or break the engine.

My article on engine temperatures is still somewhere here on 914 World, it gives some good information.

Found this:
"914 Info" page -> Technical Articles -> » Type IV Cylinder Head Temperatures - by Jake Raby

Very good! I just ordered the gauge and spark plug thermocouple.

Could someone comment on the best routing for the wire from the thermocouple under plug #3 to the gauge installed on the dash? Preferably a graphic of some sort or description would be great. Thanks
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Chaznaster   Measuring engine temperature   May 24 2022, 05:45 PM
Bullethead   After building a fresh motor for my T34 VW, I used...   May 24 2022, 06:17 PM
mgphoto   The 123 is pretty close, oil temp gauge is very sl...   May 24 2022, 06:31 PM
VaccaRabite   I would (and do) use a head temp sensor on the #3 ...   May 25 2022, 05:57 AM
barefoot   I'm using very inexpensive TC under the #3 spa...   May 25 2022, 06:19 AM
Jake Raby   Oil temperature is not engine temperature. It is j...   May 25 2022, 07:33 AM
SavingManuals   Oil temperature is not engine temperature. It is ...   May 25 2022, 10:16 AM
Lockwodo   Oil temperature is not engine temperature. It is...   May 25 2022, 11:09 AM
Lockwodo   [quote name='SavingManuals' post='3004037' date='...   May 25 2022, 05:30 PM
emerygt350   I had a hard time finding the info link, so here i...   May 25 2022, 12:55 PM
Jake Raby   I had a hard time finding the info link, so here ...   May 25 2022, 01:50 PM
michael7810   Sorry no pics but I was able to run dual CHTs and ...   May 25 2022, 06:51 PM
Lockwodo   Sorry no pics but I was able to run dual CHTs and...   May 25 2022, 09:16 PM
FlacaProductions   Same there - went through the speedo hole.   May 25 2022, 06:59 PM
Chaznaster   Wow. Great input - thanks so much to all! @Ja...   May 25 2022, 07:19 PM
VaccaRabite   My thermocouple wire goes to the head via the stoc...   May 26 2022, 07:09 AM
Lockwodo   My thermocouple wire goes to the head via the sto...   May 26 2022, 08:08 AM
930cabman   Is anyone using the tapped hole the factory used f...   May 26 2022, 08:12 AM
GregAmy   Hmm - so the thermocouple ring has a shank where ...   May 26 2022, 08:54 AM
barefoot   [quote name='Lockwodo' post='3004265...   May 26 2022, 11:09 AM
Jake Raby   This is the worst place to gather CHT data. I ha...   May 26 2022, 09:17 AM
930cabman   This is the worst place to gather CHT data. I h...   May 26 2022, 11:28 AM


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