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r_towle
post Jun 1 2022, 08:08 PM
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Leave the SBC and flat6 conversions out of this.

Who has swapped a different engine into a 914?
Something Japanese, great mpg?
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post Jun 2 2022, 10:51 AM
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I think it was Len that suggested that a reconfigured 1.7L was the recipe..
Smaller displacement higher revving , better breathing ...

I look at my own hoopdee as an example: Ford Festiva - 0 aero! 1.3L, 1600#'s 14" narrow wheels (upgraded from 12") 200k, I drive like I stole it & it still gets 36-39mpg !
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post Jun 2 2022, 11:22 AM
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QUOTE(914werke @ Jun 2 2022, 12:51 PM) *

I think it was Len that suggested that a reconfigured 1.7L was the recipe..
Smaller displacement higher revving , better breathing ...

I look at my hoopie a Ford Festiva - 0 aero! 1.3L, 1600#'s 14" narrow wheels (upgraded from 12") 200k, I drive like I stole it & it still gets 36-39mpg !


Even here the engine is only a piece of the secret sauce.

Smaller engine - check. sub 70 HP I think for the Festiva
Narrow, low inertia wheels, low rolling resistance tires - check

A big piece of the equation is the low weight -- 1600 seems low. Edmund's says 1800 but the point remains. The less weight . . the better.

So in addition to the comment to bbrock on making 1.7L more efficient with modern EFI (via incorporation of decel fuel shutoff) and better fuel control, weight reduction is the order of the day.

Rule of thumb on modern cars is that every 100 lbs of weight reduction is good for 1-2% fuel economy improvement. The problem is that a 914 is already starting off very light end of the automotive spectrum.

But you could do the easy stuff:
Do fiberglass hood & trunk
Get rid of all OEM tar
Get rid of rear bulkhead insulation / mass dampers both interior and exterior
Get rid of the back pad . . . and all carpet for that matter!
Get rid of all radio/stereo amps/speakers
Set of Oscar's GT style lightened hinges ( (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif) )
Use 14" wheels (914/6 came on 14's -- Empi, etc. as 14" alternatives for /4's)
Use 911 aluminum front cross member
Use smaller Li-ion battery and deal with the potential disadvantages
GT style door pulls - eliminate door pockets & door cards
Glove box door - who needs one. Bin it
Shift knob -- bin it. Just grab the metal shift rod. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)
Seats -- can definitely put some lightening holes in the fiberglass shells.
Dash top and bottom cosmetics - appearance only - we're going for MPG here

Harder stuff:
Go ahead and have Titanium headers and muffler made (huge weight save over OEM)
Fabricate hollow Titanium engine cross bar instead of the cast iron OEM part
Fabricate Titanium intake system plenum / runners / airbox
You get the picture . . . .

Now that we have a bunch of weight out, now you can go back to those sub 100lb/in OEM springs and they will be plenty. Lower rate springs = less weight.

Might as well drill the rotors - we can get some weight out there too. Ditch the rotor backing plates / dust shields / fasteners too!

Starting to sound a lot like race car prep (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)


But no where in this are you going to take a 914 to some sort of 60 MPG miracle even with your best hypermiling tricks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)
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r_towle   Engine swaps   Jun 1 2022, 08:08 PM
mepstein   My stock 1.7 would easily get 38-40 mpg on the hig...   Jun 1 2022, 08:17 PM
Montreal914   My stock 1.7 would easily get 38-40 mpg on the hi...   Jun 1 2022, 08:57 PM
mepstein   My stock 1.7 would easily get 38-40 mpg on the h...   Jun 1 2022, 09:09 PM
brant   My stock 1.7 would easily get 38-40 mpg on the hi...   Jun 2 2022, 08:30 AM
Robarabian   When I am not hard on the Turbo, my Subaru 2.0 WRX...   Jun 1 2022, 08:35 PM
r_towle   I got 48 mpg from my tuned 1.7 with djet….and I ...   Jun 1 2022, 09:29 PM
Superhawk996   And I learned all about low roll resistant tires...   Jun 2 2022, 06:37 AM
bbrock   The actual engine has very little to do with MPG ...   Jun 2 2022, 07:41 AM
Superhawk996   [quote name='Superhawk996' post='3005887' date='J...   Jun 2 2022, 07:52 AM
bbrock   Let's talk specifics. Most boxy SUV's ap...   Jun 2 2022, 09:36 AM
Superhawk996   Let's talk specifics. Most boxy SUV's a...   Jun 2 2022, 09:42 AM
bbrock   I assume the purpose of the OP proposed swap was...   Jun 2 2022, 10:05 AM
Superhawk996   Surely there are modern engines out there that c...   Jun 2 2022, 10:13 AM
Dave_Darling   There's at least one VW turbodiesel out there....   Jun 1 2022, 10:20 PM
cali914   I had a Honda J35 odyssey engine in my 914 210 hp ...   Jun 1 2022, 11:23 PM
ogdougy   Why not ee20? Subaru flat 4 - it fits Get it with...   Jun 2 2022, 12:01 AM
Arno914   Just wondering. :confused: Does anybody really c...   Jun 2 2022, 12:29 AM
sb914   Just wondering. :confused: Does anybody really ...   Jun 2 2022, 03:34 AM
mate914   Just wondering. :confused: Does anybody really...   Jun 2 2022, 05:09 AM
Front yard mechanic   [quote name='sb914' post='3005861' date='Jun 2 20...   Jun 2 2022, 05:15 AM
bbrock   Just wondering. :confused: Does anybody really ...   Jun 2 2022, 07:25 AM
Superhawk996   Performance and :stromberg: mileage? Not inter...   Jun 2 2022, 07:36 AM
Mayne   What about an early 1.6/1.8 Miata motor?   Jun 2 2022, 06:36 AM
Superhawk996   What about an early 1.6/1.8 Miata motor? Nope. ...   Jun 2 2022, 06:43 AM
mepstein   I think good mpg is a good measure of engine perfo...   Jun 2 2022, 07:35 AM
Superhawk996   I think good mpg is a good measure of engine perf...   Jun 2 2022, 07:42 AM
Chris H.   Leave the SBC and flat6 conversions out of this. ...   Jun 2 2022, 07:37 AM
jrmdir   Not sure about MPG focus, but here's one examp...   Jun 2 2022, 08:03 AM
914werke   I think it was Len that suggested that a reconfigu...   Jun 2 2022, 10:51 AM
Superhawk996   I think it was Len that suggested that a reconfig...   Jun 2 2022, 11:22 AM
Superhawk996   I look at my own hoopdee as an example: Ford Fes...   Jun 2 2022, 11:39 AM
euro911   I had a snotty 2056 in the 'BB' and it was...   Jun 2 2022, 11:32 AM
ClayPerrine   If you want really insane mileage and reasonable p...   Jun 2 2022, 11:34 AM
Superhawk996   If you want really insane mileage and reasonable ...   Jun 2 2022, 11:46 AM
mepstein   Mine had 195x65x15 all season tires. I'm sure ...   Jun 2 2022, 11:37 AM
Superhawk996   Mine had 195x65x15 all season tires. I'm sure...   Jun 2 2022, 11:40 AM
914werke   A big piece of the equation is the low weight -- ...   Jun 2 2022, 03:21 PM
brant   with modern fuel injection.... why not 1600cc...   Jun 2 2022, 03:28 PM
Chris914n6   My 2 cents... Weight is not a factor in highway m...   Jun 2 2022, 03:52 PM


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