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raynekat |
Jun 22 2022, 08:58 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,159 Joined: 30-December 14 From: Coeur d'Alene, Idaho Member No.: 18,263 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Whether you like 'em or not....they are definitely a wave of the future.
Not sure what I think about the whole idea myself. Still have the rear luggage boot which is nice. It's pretty slick the bolt in rear cradle that holds some of the batteries, Tesla motor, cooling, etc. The "custom" look is pretty bad as to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJTNsH-SIqk |
CCE |
Jun 27 2022, 04:49 PM
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CCE Group: Members Posts: 325 Joined: 28-December 21 From: Mexico Member No.: 26,203 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
I do agree EV is the future, and technology is moving very fast this days, everyone will be able to get the new EV technology for cheap very soon…
Just don’t break your precious 914 Porsche just now, gas will continue existing, (maybe more expensive), you will have your tool to commute. And your gas burning fumes and noise generator to smile on the weekends. If you want an electric Porsche you can get a Taycan… |
wonkipop |
Jun 27 2022, 05:14 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,367 Joined: 6-May 20 From: north antarctica Member No.: 24,231 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
I do agree EV is the future, and technology is moving very fast this days, everyone will be able to get the new EV technology for cheap very soon… Just don’t break your precious 914 Porsche just now, gas will continue existing, (maybe more expensive), you will have your tool to commute. And your gas burning fumes and noise generator to smile on the weekends. If you want an electric Porsche you can get a Taycan… (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) i've got a feeling what might happen, at least down here, is you might at some point have to purchase C02 credits to run old cars as well as find the gasoline. but thats some way off. of course there are the zealots who want to ban petrol cars period by such and such a date. but i think they will be regarded as extremists for a good while yet. but..... i do think though we might be going from one energy crisis to another. a hydrocarbon energy shortage/difficulty to an electricity energy crisis? i seriously doubt there will be enough electricity to go around once the car fleet does gain momentum and electric take up gets a head of steam. i can see that one happening. anyway onward. |
bbrock |
Jun 27 2022, 05:22 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 17-February 17 From: Montana Member No.: 20,845 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
but..... i do think though we might be going from one energy crisis to another. a hydrocarbon energy shortage/difficulty to an electricity energy crisis? i seriously doubt there will be enough electricity to go around once the car fleet does gain momentum and electric take up gets a head of steam. i can see that one happening. anyway onward. I thought this was a good discussion of that question. Of course, if we could just get over irrational fears of nuclear power, we could save ourselves a lot of headache. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dfyG6FXsUU |
wonkipop |
Jun 27 2022, 06:12 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,367 Joined: 6-May 20 From: north antarctica Member No.: 24,231 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
but..... i do think though we might be going from one energy crisis to another. a hydrocarbon energy shortage/difficulty to an electricity energy crisis? i seriously doubt there will be enough electricity to go around once the car fleet does gain momentum and electric take up gets a head of steam. i can see that one happening. anyway onward. I thought this was a good discussion of that question. Of course, if we could just get over irrational fears of nuclear power, we could save ourselves a lot of headache. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dfyG6FXsUU yeah that is a good discussion. i especially like that he touched on the ability to find a place to charge the car. ie apartment dwellers who park in the street. right now a lot of electric take up is by folks in aus who live in stand alone houses - its no issue to plug in the cord. but i have noticed all sorts of ramshackle set ups starting to happen in the inner city areas where relatively wealthy middle class people live in terrace houses. i think you guys call them row houses. people park in the street there. and they have been running cords across the sidewalk from their houses to their new teslas. with silly little safety stripped cover boards over them on the sidewalk. all of which is illegal. won't be long before someone trips up and the legals come in like vultures and there will be a crackdown. there will definitely be power rationing going on - in the sense at least of forcing folks to use obscure times of the night and timers as well as incentives to charge their cars. as well as thinking of some imaginative ways to build a variation on the petrol station as a charging station. for folks with cars that live in the street. i imagine those urban charging stations might be multi storey structures a bit like parking garages. i guess i think of these things because of my line of work. there will be changes to the urban landscape to deal with the new cars as they populate. one thing i don't see happening is that people give up cars or do the car share rental thing. we have a few zealots bashing that idea down here. i just can't see that flying. the car has been an amazing tool freeing individuals and i think that will be the one constant. folks are not going to give up on the idea of their car, or owning it. but i could be wrong. |
bbrock |
Jun 28 2022, 09:13 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 17-February 17 From: Montana Member No.: 20,845 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
yeah that is a good discussion. i especially like that he touched on the ability to find a place to charge the car. ie apartment dwellers who park in the street. right now a lot of electric take up is by folks in aus who live in stand alone houses - its no issue to plug in the cord. but i have noticed all sorts of ramshackle set ups starting to happen in the inner city areas where relatively wealthy middle class people live in terrace houses. i think you guys call them row houses. people park in the street there. and they have been running cords across the sidewalk from their houses to their new teslas. with silly little safety stripped cover boards over them on the sidewalk. all of which is illegal. won't be long before someone trips up and the legals come in like vultures and there will be a crackdown. there will definitely be power rationing going on - in the sense at least of forcing folks to use obscure times of the night and timers as well as incentives to charge their cars. as well as thinking of some imaginative ways to build a variation on the petrol station as a charging station. for folks with cars that live in the street. i imagine those urban charging stations might be multi storey structures a bit like parking garages. i guess i think of these things because of my line of work. there will be changes to the urban landscape to deal with the new cars as they populate. one thing i don't see happening is that people give up cars or do the car share rental thing. we have a few zealots bashing that idea down here. i just can't see that flying. the car has been an amazing tool freeing individuals and i think that will be the one constant. folks are not going to give up on the idea of their car, or owning it. but i could be wrong. Yes, these are fun things to ponder with wild possibilities. I agree that EV currently makes most sense for people who can easily charge at home and whose travels begin and end at home to minimize frustrations of public charging stations. We just had solar installed on our house which now makes it a no-brainer that our next car will be a plug-in hybrid. The one we are eyeing has a 42 mile EV range which is plenty for our daily commuting even allowing for significantly less range in cold winter weather. For those longer trips, there is an ICE that gets 38 mpg which is more than 10 mpg higher than our current DD. We'll need to add a few more panels to our solar system to accommodate the increased load, but that is trivial. My calculations indicate that the gasoline we won't by with this set up will cut the payback time of the solar system to less than half. A no brainer. I do not think EVs are ready for long (multiple fill up) trips. The range of EVs is already competitive with ICE but the charge times and public charging infrastructure are big problems. When EV charging is as convenient as pumping gas, they'll be ready. Minimally, I think when you can get 200+ miles of range in 15 minutes, then benefits of EV will out weigh problems for most people. Ideally this would be 300+ miles in 10 minutes but I feel like 200/15 will be the tiping point. Once you cross that barrier which I think will happen fairly quickly, it opens a couple possibilities for charging. One is that we just retrofit gas stations with chargers and people continue to top off their batteries like we currently top off tanks. However, I think the convenience of home charging will be a strong lure that is only increased for people who can produce their own power to charge their cars. I would expect to see parking meter style chargers popping up at most outdoor parking spaces which could either be "owned" by a townhouse or condo owner, or metered so anyone parked there can pay for a charge. That gets rid of the scramble of improvised cables, but then we'll have to figure out how to keep people from stealing cables for the copper. With millions of cars plugged into chargers at a given time, things get really interesting because not only can those cars take power out of the grid, they can also put power back in. There are working prototypes where people can sell power from their car batteries to the grid. They decide how much range they need to have in their cars and when so they always have the charge they need on hand. The system runs like the stock market so the car owner buys power low and sells high. Very interesting to think about for balancing renewable energy power. All those car batteries combined with sophisticated automatic redistribution could be a major part of the renewable storage problem. I still think we'll need some nukes sprinkled in, but fascinating possibilities. Finally for car sharing. I agree it is only going to work for a fairly small market with current technology, but what happens when we have self-driving cars? Could be a game changer because cars could redistribute themselves. A sharing system might not look any different to the end user than private ownership. When they walk out to get in a car, it is there waiting for them even though it has been on other errands when the user wasn't looking. It could even add flexibility because the car waiting could change. Someone needs a pickup one day? There it is. Next day they want a minivan, and there it is. Interesting possibilities. |
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