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> Any harm to vintage engines running unleaded fuels.
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post Sep 9 2022, 02:46 PM
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Back in the day when they took lead out of gas there was a lot of concern that without the cushioning effect the lead had on the valve face there would be bent and broken valves. Since my car fits those criteria and will be driving soon what if any concerns should I be aware of?? Fairly technical but Thanks for any help that might save me a damaged engine. Best to Ya
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post Sep 10 2022, 10:42 AM
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Two more thoughts, one I faintly remember sodium filled valves as part of the solution second since modern day premium fuels don't really refer to octane rating but more so to knock retardant additives is there really a difference between grades as far as power output. Thanks for all the responses its greatly appreciated. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Sep 10 2022, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(914043 @ Sep 10 2022, 12:42 PM) *

Two more thoughts, one I faintly remember sodium filled valves as part of the solution second since modern day premium fuels don't really refer to octane rating but more so to knock retardant additives is there really a difference between grades as far as power output. Thanks for all the responses its greatly appreciated. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

Sodium valves have nothing to do with valve recession solution.

Sodium valves were used to try to prevent exhaust valves from burning. Sodium valves are still in use today on high output engines as a way to remove heat from the valve head, transferring it down the vale stem, into the valve guide and ultimately the head.

Likewise octane rating has nothing to do with power output on its own. Octane rating just allows for higher compression ratios (more power) and more timing advance.

You will not get more power running 93 octane in a 914 than you will get on 87 octane. Where octane rating comes into play is the ability to run more timing advance without getting Detonation that destroys engines fast! On a modern car timing is altered automatically in real time via the Knock Detection sensor(s). Timing try’s to run as advanced as the timing map will allow, if detonation is detected, timing is retarded until it stops.

On a 914 you can get more power (in some situations) by advancing timing. The problem is it is set there and can’t be adjusted in real time. If you start getting detonation and ignore it, piston melting, piston holes, etc come next.
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914043   Any harm to vintage engines running unleaded fuels.   Sep 9 2022, 02:46 PM
bbrock   All 914 engines use hardened valve seats so no pro...   Sep 9 2022, 03:06 PM
914043   All 914 engines use hardened valve seats so no pr...   Sep 9 2022, 05:39 PM
wonkipop   All 914 engines use hardened valve seats so no p...   Sep 9 2022, 09:29 PM
StarBear   I don’t know why but my 1.8 seems to run a bit s...   Sep 9 2022, 04:04 PM
930cabman   As I recall lead formerly in pump gas was also a l...   Sep 9 2022, 04:29 PM
bbrock   From what I have read, all Porsche engines since a...   Sep 10 2022, 09:17 AM
bbrock   BTW, I've also read that all aluminum heads us...   Sep 10 2022, 09:22 AM
Superhawk996   BTW, I've also read that all aluminum heads u...   Sep 10 2022, 10:14 AM
wonkipop   BTW, I've also read that all aluminum heads ...   Sep 10 2022, 04:33 PM
914043   Two more thoughts, one I faintly remember sodium f...   Sep 10 2022, 10:42 AM
Superhawk996   Two more thoughts, one I faintly remember sodium ...   Sep 10 2022, 10:49 AM
Mikey914   The greatest harm to the engine is from fire. The ...   Sep 10 2022, 10:44 AM
Mikey914   Our engines don't really benefit from the high...   Sep 10 2022, 11:03 AM
bbrock   Here's a rule of thumb Octane/compression char...   Sep 10 2022, 12:17 PM
Dave_Darling   Here's a rule of thumb Octane/compression cha...   Sep 11 2022, 07:13 PM
second wind   So this is a very interesting topic....would putti...   Sep 10 2022, 05:14 PM
wonkipop   So this is a very interesting topic....would putt...   Sep 10 2022, 05:31 PM
bbrock   So this is a very interesting topic....would put...   Sep 10 2022, 06:14 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='second wind' post='3028558' date='S...   Sep 10 2022, 07:14 PM
bbrock   AN engine (euro 1.8) more highly strung (if you c...   Sep 10 2022, 10:16 PM
Van B   As @Superhawk996 described, you can rest assured...   Sep 10 2022, 08:33 PM
wonkipop   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Sep 10 2022, 08:37 PM


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