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post Sep 24 2022, 09:02 AM
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This might get some knickers in a quibbley but I'm trying to figure out had the 914 design team's vote to badge the car been honored, which badge would have come on my car. Porsche Classics shows the orange badge used through MY 1973 and the red badge beginning in MY 1974, but there is also this graphic showing the switched occurred sometime in '73.

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The best I can tell, the switch might have happened with the introduction of the 911 G-series in MY 1974 but I've had a hard time finding when actual production began. I did find this article saying it started in August, 1973 which might be a good clue.

That may be all I need to know, but does anyone have anything to add?
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post Oct 1 2022, 10:01 AM
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QUOTE(wonkipop @ Sep 30 2022, 03:03 PM) *

corporate jockeying is probably the wrong word however to describe what ensued.
we forget the context?


There might be a better term but I was speaking specifically about jockeying over branding. As far as Lotz was concerned, there was no verbal agreement. As far as he was concerned, VW had paid Porsche to develop a car and they owned outright, including the right to use the Porsche name as they saw fit. Porsche really wanted to have a version fitted with a Porsche engine and sold as Porsche. I haven't seen any indication that Porsche ever considered the 914 a lesser model other than doing what was needed to protect the 911 as flagship. I think there was genuine excitement over what had been created, especially among the racing arm. The damnatio memoriae in Porsche and VW seems to have followed the confusion over the car's DNA due to branding and the ridicule that generated.

Lotz didn't like the idea of selling the same body under two different brands. He even looked into developing a 6 cylinder version of the 411 engine but it didn't pencil out. Instead, Lotz sold bodies back to Porsche to fit the 911 engine. Ferry Porsche himself wrote that Lotz told him the he saw three options: 1. VW would take over Porsche. 2. The companies would separate completely. 3. Create some kind of joint venture. Obviously the third option one and the joint VW-Porsche-Audi US import and marketing entity was born. Lotz also thought a sports car would sell better if the Porsche name were attached. I suspect the VW-Porsche branding was his idea since it was a compromise between keeping VW ownership of the model and boosting sales with the Porsche name. I'm guessing it wasn't too hard to sell him on just calling it Porsche in North America since it would boost sales that were always going to be rather paltry from a VW perspective despite being huge from Porsche's.


QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Oct 1 2022, 06:29 AM) *

What really blows my mind about the whole badge debate is the 914 was designed as a partnership between VW and Porsche, but they used a LOT of Porsche parts.

The original 924 was designed by Porsche as an Audi sports car originally. And all of the car was a VW parts bin special. Super beetle front and rear suspension. Audi Fox motor. Audi transmission. All of the little interior bits. My first "Porsche" was a 924. And other than the hood badge, I don't remember a single part on it that had a Porsche part number (but I could be wrong).


There is more Porsche DNA in a 914 then there ever was in a 924. But the 914 is called a NARP and doesn't get a hood badge. The 924 is called a Porsche and gets a hood badge.

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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I think this comparison is a very interesting study on the power of a badge. I remember when the 924 came out, there were eyebrows raised over a front engine water pumper Porsche, but it was mostly chalked up to Porsche's innovation and keeping up with the times. As a high school kid with a new drivers license and dream of owning a 914 when I could save the money, I would swing through the Porsche dealer lot after hours to stare at the 924s and dream. They cost more than we paid for our first house so completely beyond reality, but still brought joy. My first long in the tooth 914 would come to me a year or two later. Only then would I learn of the curious identity crisis that the 914 suffered. In fact, I think the night I rolled my sunflower yellow and primer colored 914 up to the college dorm to show off was the first time I heard, "you know that's not a real Porsche..." More curious that the 924 with far less Porsche DNA somehow escaped the same fate. It had to be that badge.
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bbrock   SOT: When did the hood badge change?   Sep 24 2022, 09:02 AM
Superhawk996   Doesn’t matter since 914’s aren’t supposed t...   Sep 24 2022, 10:50 AM
mgphoto   I use a sticker, to save weight.   Sep 24 2022, 11:12 AM
bbrock   Thanks both, but that wasn't the question. :st...   Sep 24 2022, 12:03 PM
mgphoto   Thanks both, but that wasn't the question. :s...   Sep 24 2022, 12:30 PM
Lucky9146   Thanks both, but that wasn't the question. :...   Sep 24 2022, 12:42 PM
Graydingo   I think you answered your own question. Orange bad...   Sep 24 2022, 12:34 PM
Cairo94507   Yup, if my car had a crest on the hood, it would b...   Sep 24 2022, 01:37 PM
rgalla9146   Yup, if my car had a crest on the hood, it would ...   Sep 25 2022, 01:12 AM
JamesM   had the 914 design team's vote to badge the c...   Sep 24 2022, 01:41 PM
Van B   I think the devil is in the details here. From wh...   Sep 24 2022, 06:10 PM
wonkipop   I think the devil is in the details here. From w...   Sep 25 2022, 03:54 AM
scallyk9   When I bought my '74 Can-Am LE, built in Febru...   Sep 24 2022, 08:09 PM
bbrock   Yeah, this all makes sense to me. I think if the ...   Sep 24 2022, 10:49 PM
wonkipop   @bbrock inspired by my sunday afternoon driving ...   Sep 25 2022, 03:48 AM
Van B   Sorry wonki, but you did put the idea in my head l...   Sep 25 2022, 06:31 AM
Cairo94507   Without measuring the distance, I believe they loo...   Sep 25 2022, 06:52 AM
mb911   Without measuring the distance, I believe they lo...   Sep 25 2022, 07:23 AM
Cairo94507   That's the spot I would install one. :beer2:   Sep 25 2022, 08:41 AM
scottsilvertt   Enjoying the comments, You could buy a 911, in 1...   Sep 25 2022, 10:45 AM
bbrock   Enjoying the comments, You could buy a 911, in ...   Sep 25 2022, 06:42 PM
wonkipop   Enjoying the comments, You could buy a 911, in...   Sep 26 2022, 04:06 AM
bbrock   i hate to be a contrarian. but it was never actu...   Sep 26 2022, 09:30 AM
wonkipop   i hate to be a contrarian. but it was never act...   Sep 27 2022, 09:16 AM
bbrock   i suggest the reason that a 914 did not end up wi...   Sep 27 2022, 05:43 PM
wonkipop   i suggest the reason that a 914 did not end up w...   Sep 28 2022, 02:27 AM
Ansbacher   I'm sure the Porsche bean counters made certai...   Sep 25 2022, 11:30 AM
Cairo94507   White over Yellow Karmen Ghia :trophy: :wub:   Sep 26 2022, 07:16 AM
Superhawk996   Badge - no badge. You can rationalize it anyway y...   Sep 26 2022, 10:04 AM
bbrock   Badge - no badge. You can rationalize it anyway ...   Sep 26 2022, 10:44 AM
Superhawk996   Badge - no badge. You can rationalize it anyway...   Sep 26 2022, 11:02 AM
bbrock   Everyone gets one deviation, I’ll take the radi...   Sep 26 2022, 12:44 PM
wonkipop   Badge - no badge. You can rationalize it anyway...   Sep 27 2022, 08:57 AM
SKL1   Long article in the latest issue of 000 explaining...   Sep 26 2022, 11:07 AM
Van B   You guys are all great, but I gotta say, the NARP ...   Sep 26 2022, 04:04 PM
Superhawk996   You guys are all great, but . . . You take us ...   Sep 26 2022, 06:14 PM
Van B   You guys are all great, but . . . You take us...   Sep 26 2022, 06:53 PM
bbrock   The real lesson here is that the family fight th...   Sep 26 2022, 06:31 PM
Front yard mechanic   I have the crest,the crested shift knob radio,rear...   Sep 26 2022, 04:13 PM
Superhawk996   I have the crest,the crested shift knob radio,rea...   Sep 26 2022, 07:10 PM
Front yard mechanic   :lol4:   Sep 26 2022, 07:59 PM
bbrock   @wonkipop Don't fret. There is a badge for y...   Sep 28 2022, 07:47 AM
wonkipop   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Sep 29 2022, 12:01 AM
bbrock   where do i get it? (when i have imbibed of a few...   Sep 29 2022, 08:10 AM
wonkipop   where do i get it? (when i have imbibed of a fe...   Sep 29 2022, 04:36 PM
Van B   Oooohhh man! No excuses now Wonki!!   Sep 28 2022, 11:28 AM
ClayPerrine   Y'all are :deadhorse: If you want a Porsche...   Sep 28 2022, 11:56 AM
Superhawk996   Nobody here will ridicule you one way or another...   Sep 28 2022, 12:33 PM
KELTY360   Nobody here will ridicule you one way or anothe...   Sep 28 2022, 06:25 PM
bbrock   [quote name='Superhawk996' post='3032933' date='S...   Sep 28 2022, 07:33 PM
ClayPerrine   [quote name='Superhawk996' post='3032933' date='...   Sep 29 2022, 04:55 AM
bbrock   [quote name='bbrock' post='3033028' date='Sep 28 ...   Sep 29 2022, 08:11 AM
914sgofast2   Would it be acceptable to add a VW badge to the fr...   Sep 28 2022, 12:42 PM
ClayPerrine   Would it be acceptable to add a VW badge to the f...   Sep 28 2022, 03:08 PM
bbrock   Would it be acceptable to add a VW badge to the f...   Sep 28 2022, 03:40 PM
Superhawk996   Would it be acceptable to add a VW badge to the ...   Sep 28 2022, 08:27 PM
wonkipop   Would it be acceptable to add a VW badge to the f...   Sep 28 2022, 11:56 PM
Superhawk996   i knew i had seen it somewhere in the dim distan...   Sep 29 2022, 12:25 PM
Superhawk996   I might add a prancing Moose sticker / bage. Tha...   Sep 28 2022, 12:53 PM
Van B   No joke, I saw a bus that someone put a G-series f...   Sep 28 2022, 09:07 PM
wonkipop   No joke, I saw a bus that someone put a G-series ...   Sep 29 2022, 04:10 AM
bbrock   No joke, I saw a bus that someone put a G-series...   Sep 29 2022, 12:16 PM
RARE 6   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3033087' date='Sep 2...   Sep 29 2022, 02:04 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='bbrock' post='3033191' date='Sep 29 ...   Sep 29 2022, 04:43 PM
bbrock   there was a VW type 3 that used to compete in tou...   Sep 29 2022, 04:58 PM
wonkipop   there was a VW type 3 that used to compete in to...   Sep 29 2022, 05:43 PM
Superhawk996   @bbrock “ However, the Swiss brand claims it c...   Sep 29 2022, 12:41 PM
bbrock   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Sep 29 2022, 01:05 PM
Superhawk996   If you’re going to run a successful scam the 1st...   Sep 29 2022, 02:08 PM
bbrock   If you’re going to run a successful scam the 1s...   Sep 29 2022, 03:10 PM
Superhawk996   [quote name='Superhawk996' post='3033209' date='S...   Sep 29 2022, 07:17 PM
Superhawk996   Hilarious - here’s their “proof”. Fast char...   Sep 29 2022, 08:05 PM
bbrock   We've already drifted way off topic so what th...   Sep 29 2022, 08:53 PM
Superhawk996   I just don't see why you think this is so far...   Sep 29 2022, 11:34 PM
bbrock   I just don't see why you think this is so fa...   Sep 30 2022, 08:11 AM
Superhawk996   Where you see plodding progress and hype, I see s...   Sep 30 2022, 08:58 AM
mgphoto   So, did the European 914’s all have the Wolfsbur...   Sep 30 2022, 08:34 AM
Superhawk996   So, did the European 914’s all have the Wolfsbu...   Sep 30 2022, 09:04 AM
mgphoto   [quote name='mgphoto' post='3033394' date='Sep 30...   Sep 30 2022, 10:12 AM
bbrock   [quote name='mgphoto' post='3033394' date='Sep 3...   Sep 30 2022, 12:59 PM
mgphoto   [quote name='mgphoto' post='3033412' date='Sep 30...   Sep 30 2022, 02:44 PM
wonkipop   @bbrock "Good stuff. What fascinates me...   Sep 30 2022, 03:03 PM
scottsilvertt   Is Hans Lapine a part of this group? His dad was T...   Sep 30 2022, 05:32 PM
bbrock   Is Hans Lapine a part of this group? His dad was ...   Sep 30 2022, 06:24 PM
wonkipop   Is Hans Lapine a part of this group? His dad was...   Oct 1 2022, 03:23 AM
ClayPerrine   What really blows my mind about the whole badge de...   Oct 1 2022, 06:29 AM
Superhawk996   What really blows my mind about the whole badge d...   Oct 1 2022, 11:08 AM
wonkipop   What really blows my mind about the whole badge ...   Oct 1 2022, 04:55 PM
bbrock   corporate jockeying is probably the wrong word ho...   Oct 1 2022, 10:01 AM
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bbrock   one thing VW had done, on their own, independentl...   Oct 1 2022, 07:11 PM
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