SOT: When did the hood badge change? Options

[bbrock]

This might get some knickers in a quibbley but I'm trying to figure out had the 914 design team's vote to badge the car been honored, which badge would have come on my car. Porsche Classics shows the orange badge used through MY 1973 and the red badge beginning in MY 1974, but there is also this graphic showing the switched occurred sometime in '73.

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The best I can tell, the switch might have happened with the introduction of the 911 G-series in MY 1974 but I've had a hard time finding when actual production began. I did find this article saying it started in August, 1973 which might be a good clue.

That may be all I need to know, but does anyone have anything to add?

[ClayPerrine]

What really blows my mind about the whole badge debate is the 914 was designed as a partnership between VW and Porsche, but they used a LOT of Porsche parts.

The original 924 was designed by Porsche as an Audi sports car originally. And all of the car was a VW parts bin special. Super beetle front and rear suspension. Audi Fox motor. Audi transmission. All of the little interior bits. My first "Porsche" was a 924. And other than the hood badge, I don't remember a single part on it that had a Porsche part number (but I could be wrong).


There is more Porsche DNA in a 914 then there ever was in a 924. But the 914 is called a NARP and doesn't get a hood badge. The 924 is called a Porsche and gets a hood badge.

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[Superhawk996]

What really blows my mind about the whole badge debate is the 914 was designed as a partnership between VW and Porsche, but they used a LOT of Porsche parts.

The original 924 was designed by Porsche as an Audi sports car originally. And all of the car was a VW parts bin special. Super beetle front and rear suspension. Audi Fox motor. Audi transmission. All of the little interior bits. My first "Porsche" was a 924. And other than the hood badge, I don't remember a single part on it that had a Porsche part number (but I could be wrong).


There is more Porsche DNA in a 914 then there ever was in a 924. But the 914 is called a NARP and doesn't get a hood badge. The 924 is called a Porsche and gets a hood badge.

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Yup - 100% (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)

This provided my 1st insight into the cognitive dissonance in the mind of the typical Porsche owner. I got a good dose of it early in 914 ownership at that 1989 PCA national event. I’m grateful for that exposure. It was fundamental in my embracing the NARP identity just to piss them off!

[wonkipop]

What really blows my mind about the whole badge debate is the 914 was designed as a partnership between VW and Porsche, but they used a LOT of Porsche parts.

The original 924 was designed by Porsche as an Audi sports car originally. And all of the car was a VW parts bin special. Super beetle front and rear suspension. Audi Fox motor. Audi transmission. All of the little interior bits. My first "Porsche" was a 924. And other than the hood badge, I don't remember a single part on it that had a Porsche part number (but I could be wrong).


There is more Porsche DNA in a 914 then there ever was in a 924. But the 914 is called a NARP and doesn't get a hood badge. The 924 is called a Porsche and gets a hood badge.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Yup - 100% (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)

This provided my 1st insight into the cognitive dissonance in the mind of the typical Porsche owner. I got a good dose of it early in 914 ownership at that 1989 PCA national event. I’m grateful for that exposure. It was fundamental in my embracing the NARP identity just to piss them off!

i'm not really sure about DNA. its a kind of subjective term. but i know what you mean. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

what i can say is that porsche did not have muscle as either a manufacturing entity for other auto companies or in the end as a design and engineering consultancy. to put it bluntly (and as it is sometimes said to me in my field by the big boys) they were hired hands and contractors. all they had was their reputation. (and in porsche's case a bit of influence with h nordhoff through family connections - along with a clever little contractural arrangement over I P signed with VW and german government some time after WW2).

they basically had to take what was handed out to them. and in some respects be grateful for it.

they got lucky with the 924 (and probably desperate enough for survival) to go into the hire-purchase agreement with VW and go ahead with the car. in any case they got to 100% own the design and could do as they pleased. you got to wonder if VW even thought they would succeed after they terminated the project fortunately they did. or we wouldn't all be here wasting words. by now 911s would be some kind of half forgotten brand that a few diehards tried to keep going as interesting museum pieces. like Panhard enthusiasts.

i think the fact that the 924 is just about 100% assembled from the VW parts bin and is such a good car is remarkable. it shows you just how good porsche were as engineering and design consultants. to me that is DNA. genetic instruction. not whether the car has parts stamped with certain numbers and branding. but thats just my ill informed and reckless opinion. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) it certainly deserved its badge and at least porsche did not have to negotiate with anyone else about it once they paid the bill to the original financier.

but to me its no different to the 914. both are parts bins cars. the 914/4 is a 911 parts bin car with an engine thrown in from VW.

the USA market proved to be the most sensible when it came to the car.
major success. buyers liked the car.

luckily it had the extended text letters across the rear. under the glass hatch.
it even had them in australia. even if it was a sticker and not a reflector. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)