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mb911
post Jan 11 2023, 08:11 PM
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Just a quick update. MFI to EFI bungs are in and will be using the carbs will just be throttle bodies and port injection.

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post Jan 12 2023, 02:41 PM
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Why not just keep the MFI?


I always thought it was genious.
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post Jan 12 2023, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE(914_teener @ Jan 12 2023, 02:41 PM) *

Why not just keep the MFI?


I always thought it was genious.



I had a 2.4L MFI motor in my 914-6 conversion for a long tme.

The performance is great, and the sound is GLORIOUS!!!

But to live with MFI on a car you want to be a daily driver, not so good.

Typical morning startup from dead cold on a day below 40F.

Get the can of ether and spray it into the air cleaners on both sides.

Attempt to start the car. It sputters and dies.

Repeat.

Repeat.

Around the fourth time it will catch and run badly on 4 or so cylinders. So set the hand throttle to 1500 RPM to let it run for a while.

As it warms up, it will start firing on the rest of the cylinders. Ease the hand throttle down slowly as the RPM increases to keep it at 1500 RPM.

Once the engine is running smooth on all six and the oil temp starts to come off the peg, ease the hand throttle down until it idles at 950RPM.

Now you can back out of the garage and drive gently for a while until the rest of the chassis and drivetrain warm up.


Contrast that to EFI.

Get in car. Turn key. Car starts and idles on all six cylinders. Wait about 30 seconds and back out of the garage. Drive gently until the engine, transmission and chassis warms up.


To be completely transparent, I never connected the MFI cold start fuel enrichment system. They were nicknamed "the firestarter" for a reason. I have seen the stacks catch on fire because of a backfire on cold start. No Bueno.

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QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Jan 12 2023, 02:03 PM) *

QUOTE(914_teener @ Jan 12 2023, 02:41 PM) *

Why not just keep the MFI?


I always thought it was genious.



I had a 2.4L MFI motor in my 914-6 conversion for a long tme.

The performance is great, and the sound is GLORIOUS!!!

But to live with MFI on a car you want to be a daily driver, not so good.

Typical morning startup from dead cold on a day below 40F.

Get the can of ether and spray it into the air cleaners on both sides.

Attempt to start the car. It sputters and dies.

Repeat.

Repeat.

Around the fourth time it will catch and run badly on 4 or so cylinders. So set the hand throttle to 1500 RPM to let it run for a while.

As it warms up, it will start firing on the rest of the cylinders. Ease the hand throttle down slowly as the RPM increases to keep it at 1500 RPM.

Once the engine is running smooth on all six and the oil temp starts to come off the peg, ease the hand throttle down until it idles at 950RPM.

Now you can back out of the garage and drive gently for a while until the rest of the chassis and drivetrain warm up.


Contrast that to EFI.

Get in car. Turn key. Car starts and idles on all six cylinders. Wait about 30 seconds and back out of the garage. Drive gently until the engine, transmission and chassis warms up.


To be completely transparent, I never connected the MFI cold start fuel enrichment system. They were nicknamed "the firestarter" for a reason. I have seen the stacks catch on fire because of a backfire on cold start. No Bueno.



Yea....considering it was developed so that the Messerschmidt could fly upside down and for 6 G turns....sounds like the prestart checklist and magneto start up.....


But when it runs right......sheeeez. What a sound and unmatched performance.

914 DD....naw... keep the MFI for the sound if only.
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mb911   EFI project has started   Jan 11 2023, 08:11 PM
Superhawk996   You’re being a tease What ECU? Planning to ru...   Jan 12 2023, 12:09 AM
mb911   Phil, Gonna use mega squirt. I have base map’s ...   Jan 12 2023, 05:17 AM
JamesM   Phil, Gonna use mega squirt. I have base map’s...   Jan 12 2023, 11:00 AM
bbrock   :popcorn: Will be watching closely. I'm still...   Jan 12 2023, 08:38 AM
ClayPerrine   Why not use these? [url=https://store.jenvey...   Jan 12 2023, 08:51 AM
Superhawk996   Why not use these? [url=https://store.jenve...   Jan 12 2023, 09:17 AM
ClayPerrine   [quote name='ClayPerrine' post='3050688' date='Ja...   Jan 12 2023, 09:30 AM
mb911   Why not use these? [url=https://store.jenve...   Jan 12 2023, 09:41 AM
ClayPerrine   [quote name='ClayPerrine' post='3050688' date='Ja...   Jan 12 2023, 09:50 AM
mb911   [quote name='ClayPerrine' post='3050688' date='J...   Jan 12 2023, 09:57 AM
JmuRiz   Cool project...I was always wondering about EFI us...   Jan 12 2023, 09:06 AM
gereed75   I am going the MFI components route -throttle bodi...   Jan 12 2023, 09:16 AM
914_teener   Why not just keep the MFI? I always thought it ...   Jan 12 2023, 02:41 PM
ClayPerrine   Why not just keep the MFI? I always thought it...   Jan 12 2023, 03:03 PM
914_teener   Why not just keep the MFI? I always thought i...   Jan 12 2023, 03:43 PM
mb911   Why not just keep the MFI? I always thought it...   Jan 12 2023, 03:59 PM
mate914   I would like to see a complete list of parts neede...   Jan 12 2023, 04:15 PM
mb911   I would like to see a complete list of parts need...   Jan 12 2023, 05:06 PM
Superhawk996   I would like to see a complete list of parts nee...   Jan 12 2023, 05:21 PM
mb911   [quote name='mb911' post='3050795' date='Jan 12 2...   Jan 12 2023, 06:20 PM
mepstein   Ben put the engine together from scratch, using pa...   Jan 12 2023, 04:46 PM
rudedude   My mfi cars start much easier than is described ab...   Jan 12 2023, 04:47 PM
Superhawk996   Anyone priced a MFI rebuild? :blowup:   Jan 12 2023, 05:04 PM
mb911   Anyone priced a MFI rebuild? :blowup: Yes itâ...   Jan 12 2023, 05:10 PM
mb911   For you viewing pleasure   Jan 12 2023, 08:19 PM
Root_Werks   :blink: According to my wife, boss, coworkers an...   Jan 12 2023, 11:10 PM
mb911   :blink: According to my wife, boss, coworkers a...   Jan 13 2023, 06:07 AM
gereed75   Ben. On your motor, what was covering/plugging th...   Jan 13 2023, 09:34 AM
mb911   Ben. On your motor, what was covering/plugging t...   Jan 13 2023, 11:16 AM
mb911   Vacuum fittings selected. I will have to drill and...   Jan 13 2023, 03:14 PM
gereed75   Vacuum fittings selected. I will have to drill an...   Jan 13 2023, 04:38 PM
mb911   [quote name='mb911' post='3050957' date='Jan 13 2...   Jan 14 2023, 05:54 AM
r_towle   I’m a bit confused. Newbie to modifying a 6 here...   Jan 14 2023, 01:43 PM
mb911   I’m a bit confused. Newbie to modifying a 6 her...   Jan 14 2023, 05:30 PM
gereed75   The 930 heads do not have an injector port like th...   Jan 14 2023, 04:51 PM
rhodyguy   What becomes of float bowls and other carb related...   Jan 14 2023, 05:04 PM
mb911   What becomes of float bowls and other carb relate...   Jan 14 2023, 05:30 PM
mb911   Went a different route on vacuum tubes. Drill .100...   Jan 16 2023, 04:42 PM
mb911   Equal length vacuum lines and manifold for a clean...   Feb 11 2023, 07:30 PM
technicalninja   You will need to check the map signal you get off ...   Feb 11 2023, 08:47 PM
mb911   You will need to check the map signal you get off...   Feb 12 2023, 05:44 AM
JmuRiz   Do you need MFI heads for this to work?   Feb 17 2023, 08:52 AM
mb911   Do you need MFI heads for this to work? Yes   Feb 17 2023, 03:38 PM
sixnotfour   Do you need MFI heads for this to work? Easy bu...   Feb 17 2023, 05:39 PM
mb911   Do you need MFI heads for this to work? Easy b...   Feb 17 2023, 06:41 PM
rick 918-S   [quote name='sixnotfour' post='3058893' date='Feb...   Feb 17 2023, 07:22 PM
mepstein   Do you need MFI heads for this to work? Easy b...   Feb 17 2023, 07:32 PM
sixnotfour   [quote name='sixnotfour' post='3058893' date='Feb...   Feb 17 2023, 07:52 PM
mb911   RE: EFI project has started   Feb 17 2023, 03:39 PM
technicalninja   You do very nice work, Sir. What is the upper...   Feb 17 2023, 08:05 PM
mb911   You do very nice work, Sir. What is the uppe...   Feb 17 2023, 08:19 PM
JmuRiz   Cool fuel and vacuum block, right. Jpnovak’s se...   Feb 17 2023, 08:28 PM
mb911   Cool fuel and vacuum block, right. Jpnovak’s s...   Feb 18 2023, 06:38 AM
mb911   Nothing much going on here. I need to purchase the...   Apr 23 2023, 05:45 PM


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