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> One more oil pump question: gasket or not
bkrantz
post Jan 21 2023, 08:12 PM
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I have a Shadek pump adapted for Type 4 (which I know some people don't like). The first time I installed the pump cover I did not use a gasket, just case-sealant. For the second time around, should I use a gasket under the cover?
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ChrisFoley
post Jan 26 2023, 05:39 AM
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That gasket looks pretty sturdy, more like ones I use at the back of the pump.
The cover gaskets I use are thinner than paper.
CB Performance pumps are Schadek pumps. They sell the gaskets.
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post Jan 26 2023, 07:52 AM
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QUOTE(ChrisFoley @ Jan 26 2023, 06:39 AM) *

That gasket looks pretty sturdy, more like ones I use at the back of the pump.
The cover gaskets I use are thinner than paper.
CB Performance pumps are Schadek pumps. They sell the gaskets.


I agree on the visual. The old VW gaskets were brown and almost translucent when they had oil on them, they were so thin. From the holes in the gasket, we can tell your gasket is intended for use on the cover side of the pump.

Based on the measurements I think you’ll be fine.

So let’s assume the original VW gaskets were 1/2 as thick - let’s call it 0.002” for argument sake.

Bentley manual allowed 0.004” end play without a gasket. Now combine that with a 0.002” gasket and you have a total of 0.006”.

In your case, the oil pump end play is way smaller than spec at 0.001”. Combine that with a 0.003” gasket and you’re still less than what was spec back in the day without a gasket.

Looking around on the web, it’s the usual BS. No one actually lists how thick their gaskets are (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif). Sometimes I’m really frustrated with the aftermarket and their propensity for marketing hype, claims made without data, and failure to publish specs. That leaves the option of ordering from a few sources and sorting to find the thinnest. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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bkrantz   One more oil pump question: gasket or not   Jan 21 2023, 08:12 PM
Geezer914   Make sure cover is perfectly flat. Use a gasket, ...   Jan 22 2023, 06:07 AM
930cabman   I have a Shadek pump adapted for Type 4 (which I ...   Jan 22 2023, 07:53 AM
Superhawk996   As above - I’m a believer in gaskets for somethi...   Jan 22 2023, 11:56 AM
bkrantz   Thanks. I did lap the cover, which was not flat b...   Jan 22 2023, 08:35 PM
Geezer914   Gene Berg's book How to hot rod vw engines tel...   Jan 23 2023, 03:58 AM
bkrantz   Let me check my understanding. Optimum gear clear...   Jan 23 2023, 08:15 PM
930cabman   Let me check my understanding. Optimum gear clea...   Jan 24 2023, 05:54 AM
Superhawk996   In my opinion, that is right on the cusp. Desir...   Jan 24 2023, 08:25 AM
930cabman   In my opinion, that is right on the cusp. Desi...   Jan 24 2023, 10:38 AM
bkrantz   I got out my micrometer, and remeasured the gasket...   Jan 25 2023, 08:38 PM
bkrantz   With a moderate amount of pressure, I got a thick...   Jan 25 2023, 08:44 PM
930cabman   With a moderate amount of pressure, I got a thic...   Jan 26 2023, 06:00 AM
ChrisFoley   That gasket looks pretty sturdy, more like ones I ...   Jan 26 2023, 05:39 AM
Superhawk996   That gasket looks pretty sturdy, more like ones I...   Jan 26 2023, 07:52 AM
rudedude   There are plenty of sources for gasket material in...   Jan 26 2023, 08:59 AM
Superhawk996   There are plenty of sources for gasket material i...   Jan 26 2023, 10:51 AM
ChrisFoley   Now that I'm in the shop I measured what I hav...   Jan 26 2023, 11:03 AM
Superhawk996   Now that I'm in the shop I measured what I ha...   Jan 26 2023, 01:16 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   aftermarket oil pumps for the 914 are hard to seal   Jan 26 2023, 11:20 AM
930cabman   Lets hope Bob can get er fixed   Jan 26 2023, 02:41 PM
bkrantz   Hey, thanks everyone. I also looked for gasket ma...   Jan 26 2023, 08:19 PM


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