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> First drive running rough, 2.0 weber 40's
skota23
post Feb 20 2023, 09:10 AM
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Hi Folks,

I was able to take my new to me 914 for a short drive yesterday. The car is a 74 with what I think is the original 2.0. It has Dual weber 40's and what I think is the stock distributor. The cap and rotor look practically new and the plug wire in good condition. It wouldn't start a few weeks ago and I pulled the plugs (NGK 7) and cleaned them, fired right up after that (Never had webers before and I think I flooded the cycling a little pumping the gas pedal thinking it would help start.

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The few times I have started it (usually after sitting over a week) I crank the engine, and give a dab of the gas pedal to get it to fire, usually takes several tries to get. running. After warming up a bit engine goes through revs well.

On the drive the engine runs very rough usually between 2-3k its barely pulling. Lots of hesitation and at odd times it pops to live a pulls great.

My first thought is to pull the carbs, do a thorough cleaning and check to see what jets are fitted and the condition of the floats.

Also planned are a timing check, valve adjust, oil and filter, fuel filter.

Is there any other details I can provide for suggestions on how to get things running well? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

Thank you!
Steve



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post Feb 20 2023, 12:07 PM
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As produced 40s work pretty good on a 1971. It’s the 44s with the big Venturi that are dogs on smaller displacements. Back snapping and popping. Terrible transition. No telling what sort of cam is in the poster’s engine. A lot of unknowns. Starting with the fuel pump.
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post Feb 21 2023, 02:11 AM
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QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Feb 20 2023, 12:07 PM) *

As produced 40s work pretty good on a 1971. It’s the 44s with the big Venturi that are dogs on smaller displacements. Back snapping and popping. Terrible transition. No telling what sort of cam is in the poster’s engine. A lot of unknowns. Starting with the fuel pump.

I have the 44s and yes on the back snapping, yes on the popping, but transition? Sorry can’t understand, (second lenguage issue here). My motor is 1974, 2.2L with ported and polished heads and manifolds. I use the car in high altitude Mexico City.
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post Feb 21 2023, 07:19 AM
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QUOTE(CCE @ Feb 21 2023, 03:11 AM) *


I have the 44s


Basically 44s are too big. Especially so at high altitude where air has less density and requires less fuel.

You need to find Venturi’s that are about 28mm diameter to get a good vacuum signal. Rejet after you replace those. You’ll still have issues with off idle performance due to the larger 44mm throttle butterfly but it will drive better.

Ideally you should sell the 44s and use a set of 40s. In my experience running 40s on a 1911 cc engine with a performance cam, it needed smaller venturis 28s for good driveability. 30 mm Venturi’s were better on the top end at high RPM but that is not how a car gets driven in normal traffic.

@bbrock is at similar altitude - he posted his carb and jetting setup (for 40s) a while back.
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QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Feb 21 2023, 08:19 AM) *
Basically 44s are too big.

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Somewhere in this forum there's a chart from, I think, the Dellorto bible, but I can't find it now. Attached is bascially the same thing.

CB has 44 IDF venturis available down to 32mm:

https://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/6356.htm


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skota23   First drive running rough, 2.0 weber 40's   Feb 20 2023, 09:10 AM
GregAmy   Welcome to carbs. You'll learn a lot. You rea...   Feb 20 2023, 09:23 AM
skota23   Welcome to carbs. You'll learn a lot. You re...   Feb 20 2023, 09:46 AM
euro911   Welcome to carbs. You'll learn a lot. You re...   Feb 26 2023, 06:12 PM
rhodyguy   FWIW, usually the engine will catch after 3 slow r...   Feb 20 2023, 09:25 AM
skota23   FWIW, usually the engine will catch after 3 slow ...   Feb 20 2023, 09:33 AM
NARP74   You will find lots of carb info and jetting guidan...   Feb 20 2023, 09:59 AM
skota23   You will find lots of carb info and jetting guida...   Feb 20 2023, 10:21 AM
NARP74   You will find lots of carb info and jetting guid...   Feb 20 2023, 10:31 AM
930cabman   I am also in the carb camp. What condition are the...   Feb 20 2023, 10:05 AM
jhynesrockmtn   If the car has been sitting for a while prior to y...   Feb 20 2023, 10:21 AM
skota23   If the car has been sitting for a while prior to ...   Feb 20 2023, 10:29 AM
rhodyguy   Skota23 I sent you a PM. Post a picture of your fl...   Feb 20 2023, 10:48 AM
Superhawk996   My first thought is to pull the carbs, do a thor...   Feb 20 2023, 11:03 AM
rhodyguy   As produced 40s work pretty good on a 1971. It’s...   Feb 20 2023, 12:07 PM
CCE   As produced 40s work pretty good on a 1971. It’...   Feb 21 2023, 02:11 AM
Superhawk996   I have the 44s Basically 44s are too big. Es...   Feb 21 2023, 07:19 AM
GregAmy   Basically 44s are too big. :agree: Somewhere in...   Feb 21 2023, 07:30 AM
flyer86d   Try to determine which cylinder is missing at idle...   Feb 21 2023, 05:44 AM
rfinegan   A plugged or partly pugged idle jet will pop and l...   Feb 21 2023, 07:39 AM
Superhawk996   Transition is how the motor performs as it comes o...   Feb 21 2023, 07:25 AM
rfinegan   Webber 40 with 28 vents run pretty good with small...   Feb 21 2023, 07:59 AM
skota23   Thanks Folks, theres alot of good advise and place...   Feb 21 2023, 08:59 AM
Superhawk996   Its a 2.0 with Weber 40's the 40's have...   Feb 21 2023, 09:10 AM
skota23   Its a 2.0 with Weber 40's the 40's hav...   Feb 21 2023, 09:18 AM
rhodyguy   That is a clean 914.   Feb 21 2023, 10:15 AM
rgalla9146   The stock 2.0 distributor ? I think you'l...   Feb 21 2023, 12:26 PM
nditiz1   I don't believe anyone has mentioned how impor...   Feb 21 2023, 01:59 PM
skota23   Step one is mostly done. I think I did a pretty go...   Feb 24 2023, 05:48 PM
skota23   Couple   Feb 24 2023, 06:04 PM
skota23   More   Feb 24 2023, 06:05 PM
skota23   Photos   Feb 24 2023, 06:07 PM
Superhawk996   Love the garage wall - like the repurposed / barn ...   Feb 24 2023, 08:36 PM
skota23   Love the garage wall - like the repurposed / barn...   Feb 26 2023, 06:11 PM
skota23   Here’s the fuel pump and filter.   Feb 26 2023, 06:05 PM
skota23   And here’s the pressure regulator   Feb 26 2023, 06:07 PM
nditiz1   You could upgrade the FP to a CB rotary which will...   Feb 26 2023, 07:54 PM
Superhawk996   You could upgrade the FP to a CB rotary which wil...   Feb 26 2023, 08:48 PM
GBX0073   Nditiz1 great idea the Jets and Emulsion tubes ad...   Feb 26 2023, 08:00 PM
skota23   Thanks for the comments and advice guys. Here’s ...   Feb 26 2023, 09:17 PM


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