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> Case question for possible location for crank trigger
technicalninja
post Mar 4 2023, 02:45 PM
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What was the original use for the large hole on the flywheel side of the right (passenger) engine case?

Looks like it could have been a good flywheel lock location.

To me it looks like very good spot for a crankshaft position sensor...

What was its original reason for being there?
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post Mar 6 2023, 10:45 AM
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Eric, thanks for the tips!

My first ideas for cam/crank triggers involved getting 2 4 cylinder mag pick up assemblies, fixing them into a distributor housing and chopping 3 of the teeth off of one of them. This would do it. You would have to delete the mechanical advance.

Most of the OEMs have moved to directly on whatever is rotating. Cam sensors are directly on the cam (usually the gear) and the crank sensor is directly on the crank.

The crank sensor looks super easy to me but there is limited access on the cam in a type 4 installation. It has to go on the distributor drive IMO.

I don't like sensors depending on a mechanical drive as any play in that drive may cause "jitter" and create problems where a directly sensing element would not.

I can easily see the simplicity of using a distributor as both, especially for the DIY crowd.

I am a fabricator/technician/designer and like to come up with my own way.

Separating the sensors also gives me a bit of adjustability regarding the "phase" between the two. This might or might not be important in the future.

One thing I will have to make that you might be interested it is a flange for the intake which places a modern injector exactly where the original ones are and then can be used for ITB or Plenum manifold. Plenum manifolds may well be the way I go.
Just look at the 964 motor in the classifieds or the Ferrari motor that is being installed in the forums for ideas. If I can get a plenum to work, I can easily control it with an ETB like this one.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/bch-0280750151

That critter is cost effective and 60mm bodies can easily support a 200hp motor.
You add complete throttle control and electronic cruise control as well.
Most folks don't realize that the air pump has completely been replaced by the electronic throttle body and the decel valve (that so many have trouble with) is included in the Tbody. So, complete throttle mapping, electronic cruise, and a variety of emission controls can be utilized with ease.

The dubshops crank trigger looks very nice but it appears to be a PIA to get to with the engine in the car and I may need the room it occupies.

I spoke with my MS3 guru about my ideas and an MS3 Pro has the ability to run a PWM AC compressor in tandem with the engine.
A PWM compressor (especially if I use R12 which is legal in any 914) will have almost no drag on the engine at idle and is the path to sub 32 degree AC...
They made the compressors more efficient for fuel economy reasons but with the fine control this enables you can go sub-artic if you want.

My all-time record car for temps was a 12 BMX X5 that has an "intense" button on the AC control head. This was an R134 system that could hold 32.8 F on a 105 degree day.
It would do it at ANY speed including sitting still in direct sunlight.
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technicalninja   Case question for possible location for crank trigger   Mar 4 2023, 02:45 PM
ClayPerrine   What was the original use for the large hole on t...   Mar 4 2023, 08:03 PM
technicalninja   Wow, you did it the HARD way... 20 years ago, the...   Mar 5 2023, 10:32 AM
ClayPerrine   Wow, you did it the HARD way... 20 years ago, th...   Mar 5 2023, 07:27 PM
ogdougy   Just to be the devils advocate. Why not just get a...   Mar 5 2023, 11:31 AM
GregAmy   https://thedubshop.com/crank-trigger-package-type-...   Mar 5 2023, 11:56 AM
technicalninja   Thanks for other options guys. The set up I have ...   Mar 5 2023, 01:05 PM
technicalninja   One of the real early uses of coil on plug! W...   Mar 6 2023, 08:49 AM
nditiz1   I'm not sure if Original Customs still makes t...   Mar 6 2023, 09:00 AM
Eric_Shea   We use the DubShop units if the engine is out. We...   Mar 6 2023, 09:26 AM
technicalninja   Eric, thanks for the tips! My first ideas for...   Mar 6 2023, 10:45 AM
ogdougy   Most of the OEMs have moved to directly on whate...   Mar 6 2023, 12:24 PM
Eric_Shea   Way too much thinking for a T4 ;)   Mar 6 2023, 12:46 PM
r_towle   once you put the motor together, the cam timing an...   Mar 6 2023, 12:52 PM
technicalninja   I think you are over estimating the "jitter...   Mar 6 2023, 12:52 PM
technicalninja   Way too much thinking for a T4 ;) I slowly com...   Mar 6 2023, 01:00 PM
r_towle   I have a few questions. I get the install of the c...   Mar 6 2023, 01:06 PM
ClayPerrine   Zims is building a drop in EFI kit for the 914. I...   Mar 6 2023, 02:44 PM
nditiz1   SOT: As someone that has done a 6 conversion...I w...   Mar 6 2023, 03:25 PM
technicalninja   Zims is building a drop in EFI kit for the 914. ...   Mar 6 2023, 09:08 PM
ClayPerrine   Zims is building a drop in EFI kit for the 914. ...   Mar 7 2023, 06:30 AM
technicalninja   Yep, actually I'll use a GM flex fuel sensor a...   Mar 7 2023, 02:52 PM
ClayPerrine   Yep, actually I'll use a GM flex fuel sensor ...   Mar 7 2023, 03:21 PM
technicalninja   My first 914 was a rusted out 70 1.7 with a 1911??...   Mar 7 2023, 04:09 PM


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