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> 4 to 6 conversion: rear brakes
bossboy302
post Mar 11 2023, 11:53 AM
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Collecting the bits for my project, (4 to 6) rear brake question...
Are the rear 4 rotors the same thickness as 6?
If so, can the 4 rear calipers (with their parking brake) be used?
I am doing the 5-lug.

Thanks in advance
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Steve
post Mar 12 2023, 12:35 AM
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Compare the pad size of a 914-4 rear caliper to a 914-6 rear caliper. Not much of a difference. For me the 914-6 rear caliper is not worth the money. I used to have 911S aluminum front calipers and 914-6 rear calipers. I am now running Boxster brakes front and rear with a 911 parking brake. Much better braking for the money.
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post Mar 12 2023, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE(Steve @ Mar 12 2023, 01:35 AM) *

Compare the pad size of a 914-4 rear caliper to a 914-6 rear caliper. Not much of a difference. For me the 914-6 rear caliper is not worth the money. I used to have 911S aluminum front calipers and 914-6 rear calipers. I am now running Boxster brakes front and rear with a 911 parking brake. Much better braking for the money.


The /6 rear calipers have about 30% less more piston area than the /4, which results in a similar reduction increase in clamping force and braking effort. Most braking is done by the fronts, so it may not be noticeable in most situations. Porsche did a pretty good job balancing brake components, care should be taken when changing out individual bits. The 911 could be a good match for the /6 rears, and the Boxster stuff should balance appropriately since they were designed for a similar weight distribution. Big honking front calipers and stock /4 rears will be somewhat unbalanced, particularly on cold, wet pavement.

And then there’s the pressure regulator, but that’s another story.
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post Mar 12 2023, 01:02 PM
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QUOTE(zoomCat @ Mar 12 2023, 01:06 PM) *

QUOTE(Steve @ Mar 12 2023, 01:35 AM) *

Compare the pad size of a 914-4 rear caliper to a 914-6 rear caliper. Not much of a difference. For me the 914-6 rear caliper is not worth the money. I used to have 911S aluminum front calipers and 914-6 rear calipers. I am now running Boxster brakes front and rear with a 911 parking brake. Much better braking for the money.


The /6 rear calipers have about 30% less piston area, which results in a similar reduction in clamping force and braking effort. Most braking is done by the fronts, so it may not be noticeable in most situations. Porsche did a pretty good job balancing brake components, care should be taken when changing out individual bits. The 911 could be a good match for the /6 rears, and the Boxster stuff should balance appropriately since they were designed for a similar weight distribution. Big honking front calipers and stock /4 rears will be somewhat unbalanced, particularly on cold, wet pavement.

And then there’s the pressure regulator, but that’s another story.



Not sure what you’re comparing to.

914/6 has larger rear pistons - 38mm vs 33mm on /4

914/6 has more rear lining area 106 cm^2 vs 80 cm^2 for /4
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post Mar 12 2023, 01:40 PM
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QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Mar 12 2023, 02:02 PM) *

QUOTE(zoomCat @ Mar 12 2023, 01:06 PM) *

QUOTE(Steve @ Mar 12 2023, 01:35 AM) *

Compare the pad size of a 914-4 rear caliper to a 914-6 rear caliper. Not much of a difference. For me the 914-6 rear caliper is not worth the money. I used to have 911S aluminum front calipers and 914-6 rear calipers. I am now running Boxster brakes front and rear with a 911 parking brake. Much better braking for the money.


The /6 rear calipers have about 30% less piston area, which results in a similar reduction in clamping force and braking effort. Most braking is done by the fronts, so it may not be noticeable in most situations. Porsche did a pretty good job balancing brake components, care should be taken when changing out individual bits. The 911 could be a good match for the /6 rears, and the Boxster stuff should balance appropriately since they were designed for a similar weight distribution. Big honking front calipers and stock /4 rears will be somewhat unbalanced, particularly on cold, wet pavement.

And then there’s the pressure regulator, but that’s another story.



Not sure what you’re comparing to.

914/6 has larger rear pistons - 38mm vs 33mm on /4

914/6 has more rear lining area 106 cm^2 vs 80 cm^2 for /4

Sorry, I misspoke and got that backwards. The /6 has roughly 32% more piston area in the rear than the /4 (14.4 cm sq vs 10.9 cm sq)
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bossboy302   4 to 6 conversion: rear brakes   Mar 11 2023, 11:53 AM
mgphoto   Collecting the bits for my project, (4 to 6) rear...   Mar 11 2023, 12:01 PM
Superhawk996   The real reason to go to /6 calipers is due to the...   Mar 11 2023, 12:31 PM
mepstein   Collecting the bits for my project, (4 to 6) rear...   Mar 11 2023, 01:24 PM
mlindner   Or if you are not in need of the parking brake, yo...   Mar 11 2023, 01:40 PM
Eric_Shea   Or if you are not in need of the parking brake, y...   Mar 14 2023, 10:34 AM
bossboy302   Thanks all for quick replies... Have done some re...   Mar 11 2023, 01:58 PM
zoomCat   Be aware that the 911 brakes on the front have a p...   Mar 11 2023, 03:09 PM
mepstein   Thanks all for quick replies... Have done some r...   Mar 11 2023, 03:14 PM
bossboy302   Ohhh....I probably got the nomenclature wrong, I m...   Mar 11 2023, 04:04 PM
mepstein   Ohhh....I probably got the nomenclature wrong, I ...   Mar 11 2023, 04:07 PM
bossboy302   Hoping these would work... https://www.pelicanpar...   Mar 11 2023, 04:19 PM
mepstein   Hoping these would work... https://www.pelicanpa...   Mar 11 2023, 04:28 PM
bossboy302   IIIII...like it! That is my hope. I thought b...   Mar 11 2023, 04:40 PM
mgphoto   Collecting the bits for my project, (4 to 6) rear...   Mar 11 2023, 05:45 PM
mepstein   Collecting the bits for my project, (4 to 6) rea...   Mar 11 2023, 06:48 PM
mgphoto   [quote name='mgphoto' post='3064301' date='Mar 11...   Mar 11 2023, 07:11 PM
mepstein   [quote name='mgphoto' post='3064301' date='Mar 1...   Mar 11 2023, 07:52 PM
technicalninja   Those flanges allow the 914/6 rear rotors to use b...   Mar 11 2023, 07:45 PM
technicalninja   Not having one of the screws installed doesn't...   Mar 11 2023, 07:55 PM
Chris914n6   Rear rotor centers from the backside on the outer ...   Mar 11 2023, 10:15 PM
mepstein   Rear rotor centers from the backside on the outer...   Mar 12 2023, 07:48 AM
Steve   Compare the pad size of a 914-4 rear caliper to a ...   Mar 12 2023, 12:35 AM
zoomCat   Compare the pad size of a 914-4 rear caliper to a...   Mar 12 2023, 12:06 PM
Superhawk996   Compare the pad size of a 914-4 rear caliper to ...   Mar 12 2023, 01:02 PM
zoomCat   [quote name='zoomCat' post='3064542' date='Mar 12...   Mar 12 2023, 01:40 PM
mepstein   [quote name='zoomCat' post='3064542' date='Mar 1...   Mar 12 2023, 01:46 PM
zoomCat   Yes. 914-6 rear calipers are basically an M calip...   Mar 12 2023, 01:59 PM
Eric_Shea   Yes. 914-6 rear calipers are basically an M cali...   Mar 14 2023, 10:39 AM
technicalninja   Rear rotor centers from the backside on the outer...   Mar 12 2023, 12:42 AM
mb911   One note for those thinking about doing this. I al...   Mar 12 2023, 02:11 PM
hencar   I agree with Ben and admittedly haven't read a...   Mar 12 2023, 04:44 PM
Montreal914   Actually, rear rotors are different in thickness. ...   Mar 13 2023, 09:12 AM
mepstein   Actually, rear rotors are different in thickness....   Mar 13 2023, 09:29 AM
Eric_Shea   Actually, rear rotors are different in thickness....   Mar 14 2023, 10:40 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   we can use stock six rotors with the aftermarket 9...   Mar 13 2023, 09:39 AM
dflesburg   Here is how I made it work 911 rear brakes - e br...   Mar 14 2023, 06:46 AM
JmuRiz   Eric, is it possible to space out a stock 914/4 re...   Mar 14 2023, 10:40 AM
Eric_Shea   Eric, is it possible to space out a stock 914/4 r...   Mar 14 2023, 10:44 AM
JmuRiz   Eric, is it possible to space out a stock 914/4 ...   Mar 14 2023, 01:07 PM
Eric_Shea   [quote name='Eric_Shea' post='3065024' date='Mar ...   Mar 15 2023, 08:50 AM
mgphoto   See photo <———- I’m using the vented r...   Mar 14 2023, 11:26 AM
rudedude   Does anyone have experience with the URO hub for 5...   Mar 15 2023, 08:45 AM
Eric_Shea   Does anyone have experience with the URO hub for ...   Mar 15 2023, 09:57 AM
rudedude   Thanks Eric for the encouraging words Jule   Mar 15 2023, 01:03 PM
IronHillRestorations   If you want 914-6 rear calipers, send me a PM. I h...   Mar 15 2023, 07:25 PM


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