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> 2056 Ljet, MPG?
Geezer914
post Apr 14 2023, 03:11 PM
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Running a 2056 with Ljet, 9550 cam, 50mm TB, and 9:1 CR. Getting just over 15 mpg. Plugs look good, slight tan. Thoughts?
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post Apr 19 2023, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Apr 16 2023, 11:19 AM) *


An aftermarket fuel pressure regulator does not have the vacuum connection to adjust the fuel pressure upwards at high vacuum conditions. That would account for the running lean at idle.

Use the stock pressure regulator, but bigger injectors.


Clay


Got this bass-ackward...
All of the vacuum referenced fuel P regulators I've messed with (an absolute shit-load, everything from Mercedes to GM) REDUCE pressure under vacuum.
So, the usual symptom is rich at idle with a fixed rate regulator.

Many aftermarket regulators are vacuum referenced. Some are what we call "rising rate" regulators which increase fuel pressure under boost. This was the first real "turbo" mod available to semi-accurately increase fuel delivery under boost. My mentor, Corky Bell engineered the first one 40+ years ago.
It was good for 7-10 psi, not more.

Digital programmable FI has negated the need for fancy pants regulators and is "the way" now but in decades past we didn't have cool HI-PO parts/injectors available and had to use stock type parts.

Geezer; Your choice of who to believe surprises me. Clay has multiple years of swap and try under his belt, specifically on 914s...
I don't even have that!
I'd believe Clay over almost anyone regarding 914 performance.

I'm betting 280Z injectors (which I have plenty of) will flow more than 914 injectors due to Clay's testing alone.

Specs and engineering data is important but actually trying this stuff is how you "prove" the data is correct.

Actual "I did this crap on the same day with the same WB" drives a stake through the heart of the question...

The AFR numbers are confusing to me and mine are from the water-cooled world.
I cannot believe changing the cooling medium would cause a significant change in AFR needs of the engines.

I see 10:1 as stupid rich, 3bar turbo-system rich.
11.0-11.5 Mild turbo system rich. below 2 bar
12.5:1 good power, safe. A bit "dirty". NA engines, Turbo below boost threshold.
14.7:1 Stoich "perfect for emissions" cruise only-no load.
16:1 getting lean-lean burn programming, great caution, knock sensors on KILL.
20:1 BANG GOES THE DYNAMITE! Death, melted parts, massive heat. Desolation...

If I actually saw 35!!!
That's so lean I wouldn't believe it but I would not run the engine again until I figured out what was going on with my wideband
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Geezer914   2056 Ljet, MPG?   Apr 14 2023, 03:11 PM
GregAmy   Seems way low, John...unless you're driving th...   Apr 14 2023, 03:13 PM
StarBear   @Saigon71 ? :blink:   Apr 14 2023, 03:16 PM
saigon71   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Apr 16 2023, 05:26 AM
VaccaRabite   You should be getting at least 25mpg. I suspect yo...   Apr 14 2023, 03:31 PM
BeatNavy   Any other issues that could cause this? Really ba...   Apr 14 2023, 03:45 PM
jim_hoyland   Ave 20ish; got 25 yesterday driving to Idyllwild   Apr 14 2023, 03:46 PM
Geezer914   I'll hook up the O2 meter and see where I am a...   Apr 14 2023, 05:51 PM
brant   I'll hook up the O2 meter and see where I am ...   Apr 15 2023, 08:39 AM
worn   I'll hook up the O2 meter and see where I am...   Apr 21 2023, 06:19 PM
emerygt350   Can't trust the O2 in that way. Particularly ...   Apr 14 2023, 06:32 PM
wonkipop   i got a stock unmolested 1.8 L jet. best i get at ...   Apr 14 2023, 09:21 PM
worn   This is only relevant in terms of energy needed to...   Apr 14 2023, 10:18 PM
r_towle   Back when I was doing deep learning of all the way...   Apr 14 2023, 10:44 PM
Geezer914   Taking Clay's advice and reset the the large w...   Apr 15 2023, 08:31 AM
anderssj   2.0 with Elgin cam, dells, Mahle Euro P/C set, Bos...   Apr 15 2023, 09:09 AM
Geezer914   With an AFR gauge hooked up, what AFR reading shou...   Apr 15 2023, 09:24 AM
DRPHIL914   With an AFR gauge hooked up, what AFR reading sho...   Apr 15 2023, 12:14 PM
emerygt350   If it is telling you the truth, 14 would be fine. ...   Apr 15 2023, 11:33 AM
Geezer914   AFM set back to normal, hooked up the AFR meter an...   Apr 15 2023, 11:54 AM
DRPHIL914   AFM set back to normal, hooked up the AFR meter a...   Apr 15 2023, 12:17 PM
Chris914n6   Are you using 1.8 injectors or 2.0? 2.0 will like...   Apr 15 2023, 12:58 PM
ClayPerrine   Are you using 1.8 injectors or 2.0? 2.0 will lik...   Apr 16 2023, 10:19 AM
wonkipop   Are you using 1.8 injectors or 2.0? 2.0 will li...   Apr 16 2023, 05:55 PM
ClayPerrine   how do those 912E injectors go on a standard 1.8...   Apr 17 2023, 05:57 AM
wonkipop   how do those 912E injectors go on a standard 1....   Apr 18 2023, 06:06 PM
Geezer914   1.8 injectors. AFR at idle is around 15.9, normal...   Apr 15 2023, 01:17 PM
Geezer914   Tweaking the fuel pressure and got the AFR to read...   Apr 16 2023, 06:08 AM
Geezer914   I called Standard Motor Products and they said the...   Apr 18 2023, 05:24 PM
ClayPerrine   I called Standard Motor Products and they said th...   Apr 19 2023, 05:24 AM
Geezer914   They said the tips and the cone are different, but...   Apr 19 2023, 09:26 AM
technicalninja   An aftermarket fuel pressure regulator does not ...   Apr 19 2023, 12:32 PM
ClayPerrine   I'd believe Clay over almost anyone regardin...   Apr 19 2023, 02:27 PM
Geezer914   I have all the respect for Clay. Just quoting the...   Apr 19 2023, 03:30 PM
wonkipop   @Geezer914   Apr 19 2023, 07:30 PM
technicalninja   Just checked the Z injectors. 185cc for non-turbo ...   Apr 19 2023, 08:17 PM
ClayPerrine   I will be the first to admit I could be wrong on t...   Apr 20 2023, 06:02 AM
emerygt350   Don't trust that afr too much. Keep an eye on...   Apr 21 2023, 01:15 PM
Geezer914   Email from Standard Motor Products   Apr 26 2023, 01:53 PM
r_towle   super accurate tuning, at least on these cars, was...   Apr 26 2023, 02:16 PM


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