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wjpierce
post May 15 2023, 07:56 AM
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Hello 914World.
I recently purchased a '74 914 racer and had it on track at Buttonwillow raceway last weekend. There were issues in that the car was last raced in 2014 but these were overcome.

Here is the major problem with the car. Body roll. Transitioning from a right to left turn requires neutralizing the car mid cormer and then allowing it to set. If that isn't done, the car wants to break loose when it sets into the next turn. I don't have a rear sway bar on the car and that is the first order of business but it seems impossible to me that a sway bar could overcome this much roll by itself.

I was thinking of trying coilover shocks to help with this. This might also allow us to corner weight the car.

What are your thoughts on this. Any other strategies that have worked for others with 914 racers?

I appreciate your input. Bill Pierce
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post May 15 2023, 10:43 AM
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From what you describe, it sounds like something is loose somewhere. Or you have a deteriorating bushing somewhere in your suspension - could be rubber or poly, I've seen both wear out / break apart. Many times the "taking a set" and wanting to break loose is the result of having to take up slack from looseness. It's called snap oversteer when this happens. It can be scary to drive a car that has this issue. A few things to look at - you can jack the car to get each corner off the ground and give the wheel or suspension a good shake as a first test.
Worn bushings on swaybar droplinks (or something loose)
Side to side slack in front swaybar (make sure the droplinks are pressed up against the bushings, or even better have a clamp on the car just inboard of where the bushings mount to the body)
Worn bushings in front suspension (or something loose)
Worn bushings in rear suspension (or something loose)

Another possibility is the car is set up too stiff in the rear, springs and/or swaybar, or alignment is way off, causing the car to oversteer. It's different than what I describe above, but can feel similar - the rear will feel "loose." Tell us about your suspension setup, including torsion bar and swaybar sizes, shocks, and rear spring rates. Those things tell much of the story. Also alignment specs.
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wjpierce   BODY ROLL   May 15 2023, 07:56 AM
stownsen914   From what you describe, it sounds like something i...   May 15 2023, 10:43 AM
Matt Romanowski   We need all the details on your setup. What size t...   May 15 2023, 11:39 AM
slivel   We need all the details on your setup. What size ...   May 15 2023, 12:26 PM
brant   What diameter is the current front anti sway bar? ...   May 15 2023, 01:25 PM
wjpierce   Thanks everybody. I've obviously got a lot of...   May 15 2023, 11:23 PM
infraredcalvin   In addition to current setup (and pics of course)....   May 15 2023, 11:25 PM
yeahmag   All the requests for more info are definitely on t...   May 16 2023, 02:38 PM
sixaddict   I have never used a rear bar…..and don’t belie...   May 19 2023, 09:36 AM
brant   I run an aftermarket (larger diameter) rear bar wi...   May 19 2023, 09:47 AM
wjpierce   I have the information many have requested. The ca...   Jun 10 2023, 09:43 PM
brilliantrot   The 914 Aaron (yeahmag) has and I autocross seems ...   Jun 11 2023, 04:57 PM
wjpierce   Thank you. I was thinking that heavier springs wo...   Jun 12 2023, 08:22 AM
stownsen914   What you are describing is the car "taking a ...   Jun 12 2023, 03:34 PM
brilliantrot   Can't remember if I mentioned, but is there a...   Jun 12 2023, 04:44 PM
campbellcj   I went from 200's or 225's to 350's al...   Jun 13 2023, 10:23 AM
yeahmag   What Evan said... It seems counter productive, but...   Jun 13 2023, 12:13 PM
brilliantrot   The ability to hold the car at angle really helps ...   Jun 13 2023, 09:44 PM
Brett W   Here is the major problem with the car. Body ro...   Jun 18 2023, 10:24 AM


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