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> Crayford rhd 914, Genuine car?
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post Jun 10 2023, 05:24 AM
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Hi - JD Classics in the UK have for sale a rhd 914 that they say is a genuine Crayford conversion. Registration number is NRX 538K. The car started life in the US and then was exported to Australia (doesn't say when) where the conversion was done. JD say that it is one of only 9 cars that were converted by Crayford. From the research I have managed to do it sounds like this cannot be true. I have asked for some proof of their claim but they have gone quiet. Could this car however have been converted under licence using genuine Crayford parts or is it more likely to be a conversion just done by some garage in Australia as I understand quite a few cars were converted there in this way.
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So cool these exist.
In a rhd car, is first and reverse nearest the driver? On any car?
The dash is simple enough
Steering and brakes requires some engineering.

Really great to know these cars are still out there.
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QUOTE(r_towle @ Jun 12 2023, 03:16 PM) *

So cool these exist.
In a rhd car, is first and reverse nearest the driver? On any car?
The dash is simple enough
Steering and brakes requires some engineering.

Really great to know these cars are still out there.


gear lever and gate stays the same.
even on "official" right hand drive production versions of left hand drive designed european cars. that all stays as it is left hand drive
in a 914 you don't touch the gear lever, linkage or anything on that to do the conversion.

we are used to this in right hand drive countries.
its often funny when it comes to the levers on steering columns.
j cars and aus manufactured cars (when we had manufacturing) had the indicator lever on the right hand side of steering column but most euro cars had it on left. they just put the whole steering wheel assembly across on right hand side. so it used to be funny jumping from one car to another if you borrowed a friends car. first intersection you got to you would set the windscreen wipers off. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

a right hand drive car is not a mirror conversion. its a transposition.
pedals, instrument cluster, steering wheel is simply moved across but not mirrored.
the main dash mouldings and assembly is a mirror. gear lever stays same.

you get some funny things in cars as a result.
my renault clio rs has the front bonnet release still over on passenger side. (left).
the brake master cylinder is buried down behind the engine and is virtually inaccessible, its real fun changing the brake fluid. the clutch cable gets scorched by the headers.
fortunately the throttle is electronic or it would be a contorted cable linkage.
and thats a factory car. thats the right hand drive models.
they basically design most cars left hand drive these days and do a compromised right hand drive version. only the japanese do a right hand drive from scratch. if anything their left hand drive versions might have the compromises. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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QUOTE(wonkipop @ Jun 12 2023, 06:03 PM) *

QUOTE(r_towle @ Jun 12 2023, 03:16 PM) *

So cool these exist.
In a rhd car, is first and reverse nearest the driver? On any car?
The dash is simple enough
Steering and brakes requires some engineering.

Really great to know these cars are still out there.


gear lever and gate stays the same.
even on "official" right hand drive production versions of left hand drive designed european cars. that all stays as it is left hand drive
in a 914 you don't touch the gear lever, linkage or anything on that to do the conversion.

we are used to this in right hand drive countries.
its often funny when it comes to the levers on steering columns.
j cars and aus manufactured cars (when we had manufacturing) had the indicator lever on the right hand side of steering column but most euro cars had it on left. they just put the whole steering wheel assembly across on right hand side. so it used to be funny jumping from one car to another if you borrowed a friends car. first intersection you got to you would set the windscreen wipers off. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

a right hand drive car is not a mirror conversion. its a transposition.
pedals, instrument cluster, steering wheel is simply moved across but not mirrored.
the main dash mouldings and assembly is a mirror. gear lever stays same.

you get some funny things in cars as a result.
my renault clio rs has the front bonnet release still over on passenger side. (left).
the brake master cylinder is buried down behind the engine and is virtually inaccessible, its real fun changing the brake fluid. the clutch cable gets scorched by the headers.
fortunately the throttle is electronic or it would be a contorted cable linkage.
and thats a factory car. thats the right hand drive models.
they basically design most cars left hand drive these days and do a compromised right hand drive version. only the japanese do a right hand drive from scratch. if anything their left hand drive versions might have the compromises. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Years ago I worked on a 79 Nissan Fairlady Z. It was a 280Z in right hand drive, imported by a US Marine from Japan. The Japanese designed the car so the driving position could be setup on either side. Even the firewall had the knockout ports for the master cylinder and the clutch master cylinder on it.

It was fun to test drive here. People would do double takes when they see no one in the driver's seat at 70 mph on the freeway.

My fathers manual for his 55 Chevy had all the information in it for the Right hand drive versions. Now that was a real kludge. The column shift linkage for the manual transmission was a bunch of monkey motion bellcranks and linkages to translate it from the right side of the column mounted on the right side of the car to the left side of the transmission.


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post Jun 14 2023, 04:47 AM
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QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Jun 14 2023, 01:08 AM) *

QUOTE(wonkipop @ Jun 12 2023, 06:03 PM) *

QUOTE(r_towle @ Jun 12 2023, 03:16 PM) *

So cool these exist.
In a rhd car, is first and reverse nearest the driver? On any car?
The dash is simple enough
Steering and brakes requires some engineering.

Really great to know these cars are still out there.


gear lever and gate stays the same.
even on "official" right hand drive production versions of left hand drive designed european cars. that all stays as it is left hand drive
in a 914 you don't touch the gear lever, linkage or anything on that to do the conversion.

we are used to this in right hand drive countries.
its often funny when it comes to the levers on steering columns.
j cars and aus manufactured cars (when we had manufacturing) had the indicator lever on the right hand side of steering column but most euro cars had it on left. they just put the whole steering wheel assembly across on right hand side. so it used to be funny jumping from one car to another if you borrowed a friends car. first intersection you got to you would set the windscreen wipers off. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

a right hand drive car is not a mirror conversion. its a transposition.
pedals, instrument cluster, steering wheel is simply moved across but not mirrored.
the main dash mouldings and assembly is a mirror. gear lever stays same.

you get some funny things in cars as a result.
my renault clio rs has the front bonnet release still over on passenger side. (left).
the brake master cylinder is buried down behind the engine and is virtually inaccessible, its real fun changing the brake fluid. the clutch cable gets scorched by the headers.
fortunately the throttle is electronic or it would be a contorted cable linkage.
and thats a factory car. thats the right hand drive models.
they basically design most cars left hand drive these days and do a compromised right hand drive version. only the japanese do a right hand drive from scratch. if anything their left hand drive versions might have the compromises. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Years ago I worked on a 79 Nissan Fairlady Z. It was a 280Z in right hand drive, imported by a US Marine from Japan. The Japanese designed the car so the driving position could be setup on either side. Even the firewall had the knockout ports for the master cylinder and the clutch master cylinder on it.

It was fun to test drive here. People would do double takes when they see no one in the driver's seat at 70 mph on the freeway.

My fathers manual for his 55 Chevy had all the information in it for the Right hand drive versions. Now that was a real kludge. The column shift linkage for the manual transmission was a bunch of monkey motion bellcranks and linkages to translate it from the right side of the column mounted on the right side of the car to the left side of the transmission.



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spot on.
three on the tree and still on the right.
i have actually seen those.
i believe a lot of the 60s chev impalas and pontiacs that came in from canada at the top end of the holden range had that set up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif)

holden did sort that out and so did ford on the local design and manufactured product.
still shifted like a pre side shifter 914 but.
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yep - the J stuff is really set up with the mirror in mind. they knew where to spend their yens properly to get a return. australia has always been lucky with getting the J gear being right hand drive like them. a lot of good J gear got sold in australia. of course a lot of it has been taken back by prosperous j people since and returned home.


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pep1   Crayford rhd 914   Jun 10 2023, 05:24 AM
KELTY360   Can't say if it's genuine, but there has b...   Jun 10 2023, 08:13 AM
KSCarrera   If it was actually converted in Australia, it can...   Jun 10 2023, 08:27 AM
wonkipop   If it was actually converted in Australia, it can...   Jun 10 2023, 09:36 PM
JeffBowlsby   Exaggeration and flowery sales ads are seldom accu...   Jun 10 2023, 11:20 AM
SirAndy   https://woodham-mortimer.com/Cars/For-Sale/...05-0...   Jun 10 2023, 11:27 AM
arbitrary   Someone here owns a Crayford conversion - http://w...   Jun 10 2023, 02:28 PM
davep   Wow, a 914 Coupe with 14" 4-bolt Fuchs. That ...   Jun 10 2023, 03:12 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   NO right hand drive 914 is genuine!   Jun 10 2023, 06:07 PM
wonkipop   NO right hand drive 914 is genuine! ONE VI...   Jun 10 2023, 09:09 PM
porschetub   NO right hand drive 914 is genuine! Relax Ge...   Jun 11 2023, 11:22 PM
wonkipop   NO right hand drive 914 is genuine! Relax G...   Jun 12 2023, 01:20 AM
porschetub   [quote name='porschetub' post='3083323' date='Jun...   Jun 12 2023, 02:54 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='porschetub' post='3083323' date='Ju...   Jun 12 2023, 05:16 PM
Dave_Darling   ... it seems very very very likely that one was ce...   Sep 12 2023, 05:09 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3083477' date='Jun 1...   Sep 13 2023, 04:41 AM
Dave_Darling   ..........and - you have lined up to quotes as if...   Sep 18 2023, 05:04 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3101597' date='Sep 1...   Sep 18 2023, 06:52 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3101597' date='Sep 1...   Sep 18 2023, 07:14 PM
wonkipop   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Jun 10 2023, 08:58 PM
wonkipop   @pep1 dug up my filed images. picture is worth a...   Jun 10 2023, 10:34 PM
pep1   Many thanks to you all for answering my query in s...   Jun 11 2023, 04:53 AM
r_towle   So cool these exist. In a rhd car, is first and re...   Jun 12 2023, 03:16 PM
wonkipop   So cool these exist. In a rhd car, is first and r...   Jun 12 2023, 05:03 PM
ClayPerrine   So cool these exist. In a rhd car, is first and ...   Jun 14 2023, 01:08 AM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3083474' date='Jun 1...   Jun 14 2023, 04:47 AM
wonkipop   @porschetub i think rusty french ended up owning...   Jun 12 2023, 05:27 PM
914Nuts   Hi - JD Classics in the UK have for sale a rhd 91...   Sep 12 2023, 10:14 AM
wonkipop   Hi - JD Classics in the UK have for sale a rhd 9...   Sep 12 2023, 03:45 PM
wonkipop   @914Nuts to give you a bit more context re austr...   Sep 12 2023, 04:07 PM
wonkipop   oddly enough an older north antarctica rhd convers...   Sep 18 2023, 07:14 AM
wonkipop   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Sep 18 2023, 08:39 PM
wonkipop   i dug up a bit more for you @Dave_Darling from m...   Sep 19 2023, 12:37 AM
flipb   Came across this Outlaw Garage video on YT of a 91...   Mar 7 2024, 03:22 PM
wonkipop   Came across this Outlaw Garage video on YT of a 9...   Mar 7 2024, 07:02 PM
JeffBowlsby   Fun fact. That silver 911 Turbo has the 1974 LE s...   Mar 7 2024, 10:08 PM
wonkipop   Fun fact. That silver 911 Turbo has the 1974 LE ...   Mar 7 2024, 10:25 PM
wonkipop   oh yes - forgot to mention. the paris show car got...   Mar 7 2024, 10:31 PM


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