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> A little experiment, Ljet cold start
Porschef
post Aug 1 2023, 03:45 PM
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After all the trials and tribulations by some of the Ljet crew and their struggles with cold starts, it came to me in an early morning haze this morning that maybe I should try bypassing the AAR valve and rigging some sort manual one. I figgered if inadequate air was creating the low idle at start situation, then maybe this would be a way of seeing that an increase in air would remedy that.

Ok, so I pulled the AAR, and set out to get what I needed. Well, here’s where a little laziness took over, I thought before I through that, may I’d see if a total bypass would work…

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Here’s one of the AAR hoses going from the plenum directly to the intake boot.

So being diligent on startup as to not allow a potential crazy high idle, I gave it a shot.

Wouldn’t you know, while it was a bit balky to start, when it did the idle shot right up, and I shut it off. Knowing what to expect on the next attempt, it went up to just about 2k rpm, then crept up more. It was enough to convince me that inadequate air is getting into the engine with the stock AAR (which functions perfectly) and that a slightly larger one like VanB has installed will probably be the ticket.

Thanks to @Van B @StarBear and @Wonkipop for their quest for perfection (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Aug 14 2023, 05:49 AM
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Mine arrived Saturday, also from Roch Auto. Some things to do around the house and test new (also NOS Bosch) unit with pics as before to compare with borrowed unit.
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post Aug 14 2023, 04:56 PM
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QUOTE(StarBear @ Aug 14 2023, 05:49 AM) *

Mine arrived Saturday, also from Roch Auto. Some things to do around the house and test new (also NOS Bosch) unit with pics as before to compare with borrowed unit.
OT: Long and hot day at the New Hope Car Show, but worth it:
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you are going to need a trophy room, won't be enough space on the bookshelf.

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Porschef   A little experiment   Aug 1 2023, 03:45 PM
wonkipop   @Porschef nice work. yeah a straight through ho...   Aug 1 2023, 07:24 PM
Van B   Ha! Yup, I did the same bypass when I was mes...   Aug 1 2023, 09:49 PM
Porschef   Thanks Gentlemen, yes, I did go back and read thro...   Aug 2 2023, 04:17 AM
wonkipop   @Porschef as a side note porschef, mine star...   Aug 2 2023, 06:07 AM
Porschef   Awesome, thanks Wonk :beer2: Mine will do the sa...   Aug 2 2023, 06:36 AM
StarBear   Sorry for the late response as a bit distracted wi...   Aug 2 2023, 06:46 AM
wonkipop   Sorry for the late response as a bit distracted w...   Aug 2 2023, 03:52 PM
StarBear   Hehehe. Either military intelligence or alien tech...   Aug 2 2023, 06:31 PM
wonkipop   Hehehe. Either military intelligence or alien tec...   Aug 2 2023, 08:31 PM
Van B   Hehehe. Either military intelligence or alien tec...   Aug 2 2023, 10:54 PM
wonkipop   … our stealth tech is little more than funny a...   Aug 3 2023, 03:01 AM
Van B   … our stealth tech is little more than funny ...   Aug 3 2023, 02:14 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3093282' date='Aug 3...   Aug 4 2023, 05:03 AM
ClayPerrine   (ps i just read a story that the b52s are going t...   Aug 4 2023, 05:56 AM
wonkipop   (ps i just read a story that the b52s are going ...   Aug 5 2023, 12:32 AM
Porschef   Great Explanations... :) Put the AAR back in the...   Aug 3 2023, 06:35 AM
StarBear   Great Explanations... :) Ain’t this fun? :bee...   Aug 3 2023, 06:57 AM
wonkipop   Great Explanations... :) Put the AAR back in th...   Aug 3 2023, 05:47 PM
Van B   @Porschef I posted pictures of the two in my ori...   Aug 3 2023, 01:11 PM
Porschef   Ok, fellow Ljet brethrens, @Van B [b]@[url=ht...   Aug 4 2023, 08:18 AM
Van B   @Porschef my original tested good. It heated up,...   Aug 4 2023, 08:37 AM
Porschef   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Aug 4 2023, 09:24 AM
Van B   BTW, your AFRs are perfect!   Aug 4 2023, 08:39 AM
Porschef   BTW, your AFRs are perfect! Thanks, it doe...   Aug 4 2023, 08:57 AM
StarBear   Thanks for the summary @porschef . Based on your...   Aug 4 2023, 02:12 PM
Porschef   Thanks for the summary [b]@[url=http://www.914wo...   Aug 4 2023, 03:14 PM
Geezer914   Rock Auto 1988 BMW M5 idle air control valve ...   Aug 5 2023, 06:39 AM
Porschef   Rock Auto 1988 BMW M5 idle air control valve ...   Aug 5 2023, 07:32 AM
Geezer914   I second that.   Aug 5 2023, 11:36 AM
wonkipop   down here in north antarctica we have this bloke h...   Aug 5 2023, 03:35 PM
Porschef   Very interesting Wonk, that’s the site I used to...   Aug 5 2023, 04:15 PM
wonkipop   Very interesting Wonk, that’s the site I used t...   Aug 6 2023, 02:52 AM
StarBear   Here are the results of the AAR temp tests - OEM B...   Aug 6 2023, 10:23 AM
StarBear   Results of current AAR (Bosch/VW #101) unit testin...   Aug 6 2023, 10:39 AM
Porschef   A little Sunday afternoon suspense...that’s pret...   Aug 6 2023, 12:27 PM
StarBear   Ok; second test, with bigger BMW AAR. What a diffe...   Aug 6 2023, 01:01 PM
Van B   @StarBear , you gotta set the TB air screw when th...   Aug 6 2023, 01:10 PM
StarBear   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Aug 6 2023, 01:19 PM
Porschef   Very promising Steve!! :Qarl: Couple t...   Aug 6 2023, 01:15 PM
StarBear   Very promising Steve!! :Qarl: Couple ...   Aug 6 2023, 01:22 PM
StarBear   Ok, Test 3. New Bosch /BMW larger AAR with initial...   Aug 6 2023, 02:18 PM
Van B   In the winter it will obviously stay at the 1200-1...   Aug 6 2023, 02:24 PM
Porschef   Awesome Steve! :) Thanks to you and Van for t...   Aug 6 2023, 02:27 PM
Geezer914   Thanks for sharing all your research and testing...   Aug 6 2023, 04:16 PM
wonkipop   nice work @StarBear . inspired me. soon as its ...   Aug 6 2023, 06:22 PM
Porschef   Ordered the BMW AAR from Rock Auto last Tuesday an...   Aug 13 2023, 01:34 PM
wonkipop   Ordered the BMW AAR from Rock Auto last Tuesday a...   Aug 14 2023, 03:12 AM
StarBear   Mine arrived Saturday, also from Roch Auto. Some t...   Aug 14 2023, 05:49 AM
wonkipop   Mine arrived Saturday, also from Roch Auto. Some ...   Aug 14 2023, 04:56 PM
Porschef   Congratulations Steve Car looks fantastic! :b...   Aug 14 2023, 06:26 AM
Van B   Well that's pretty cool! I bet it was the ...   Aug 14 2023, 06:40 AM
StarBear   Well that's pretty cool! I bet it was the...   Aug 14 2023, 08:26 AM
Van B   You really need that nice and toasty engine for se...   Aug 14 2023, 08:40 AM
Porschef   You really need that nice and toasty engine for s...   Aug 14 2023, 09:07 AM
StarBear   You really need that nice and toasty engine for s...   Aug 14 2023, 05:04 PM
StarBear   @porschef Did new AAR bench tests today. To get f...   Aug 14 2023, 03:25 PM
wonkipop   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Aug 14 2023, 05:02 PM
Van B   I’m noticing a trend here… @StarBear likes t...   Aug 14 2023, 05:04 PM
StarBear   I’m noticing a trend here… [b]@[url=http://w...   Aug 14 2023, 05:07 PM
Van B   Also, both the AAV and the idle bypass screw are...   Aug 15 2023, 06:20 AM
Porschef   You're killing me Steve. All air is metered ...   Aug 15 2023, 06:26 AM
wonkipop   Also, both the AAV and the idle bypass screw ar...   Aug 15 2023, 07:07 AM
Van B   Slightly rich, but definitely in the window!   Aug 14 2023, 05:07 PM
Geezer914   more like 13.6 cruising and 12.5 on acceleration. ...   Aug 14 2023, 05:40 PM
StarBear   Did oven test to 140-150F. Still didn’t close al...   Aug 14 2023, 07:17 PM
Van B   Well, that amount it was still open is definitely ...   Aug 14 2023, 07:55 PM
Porschef   Between Saturday night and the present moment weâ€...   Aug 15 2023, 01:31 AM
wonkipop   we are mere humans @[url=http://www.914world.co...   Aug 15 2023, 04:25 AM
Porschef   we are mere humans perfection is best left to...   Aug 15 2023, 05:21 AM
StarBear   Dig through my files and found a short write up fr...   Aug 15 2023, 05:43 AM
wonkipop   Dig through my files and found a short write up f...   Aug 15 2023, 07:04 AM
StarBear   A final (?) question: ok, if I accept a bit remain...   Aug 15 2023, 06:07 AM
Porschef   A final (?) question: ok, if I accept a bit remai...   Aug 15 2023, 06:21 AM
StarBear   A final (?) question: ok, if I accept a bit rema...   Aug 15 2023, 07:31 AM
wonkipop   [quote name='Porschef' post='3095746' date='Aug 1...   Aug 16 2023, 03:23 AM
Porschef   Yeah I did a fair amount of fiddlin’ with it, Iâ...   Aug 15 2023, 06:14 AM
Van B   Then you should enjoy it!   Aug 15 2023, 06:31 AM
Porschef   Then you should enjoy it! Hah, it’s all g...   Aug 15 2023, 06:45 AM
wonkipop   Then you should enjoy it! Hah, it’s all ...   Aug 15 2023, 07:05 AM
StarBear   Hah! It IS the 21st century and we still donâ...   Aug 16 2023, 11:00 AM
Van B   Bathroom... They are generally a shitty place to b...   Aug 16 2023, 07:17 PM
wonkipop   @Van B and [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2...   Aug 18 2023, 03:37 AM
StarBear   Done! Trial testing completed! The 914 rep...   Aug 18 2023, 11:03 AM
euro911   I've cleaned up old clogged AARs before. As lo...   Aug 18 2023, 11:20 AM
Van B   That’s better that most pros steveo!   Aug 18 2023, 12:12 PM
Porschef   That’s better that most pros steveo! Doe...   Aug 18 2023, 01:47 PM
StarBear   That’s better that most pros steveo! Do...   Aug 18 2023, 02:33 PM
StarBear   That’s better that most pros steveo! And a...   Aug 18 2023, 02:34 PM
Geezer914   Porschef, is that with the AC358 AAR valve? What ...   Aug 18 2023, 03:54 PM
Porschef   Yes. Running it straight out of the box made for t...   Aug 18 2023, 07:02 PM
StarBear   Ok, new larger AC358 (BMW) Bosch 125 AAR installed...   Aug 19 2023, 03:58 PM
Van B   How old is your VR?   Aug 19 2023, 04:01 PM
StarBear   How old is your VR? You mean the vacuum can? May...   Aug 19 2023, 05:30 PM
wonkipop   How old is your VR? :) yeah whats the VR? you...   Aug 19 2023, 05:55 PM
StarBear   Oh, voltage regulator? A few years old. Nothing o...   Aug 19 2023, 05:59 PM
Van B   Oh, voltage regulator? A few years old. Nothing ...   Aug 19 2023, 06:02 PM
Van B   Voltage regulator. I’m sure you all call it Bru...   Aug 19 2023, 06:00 PM
StarBear   Voltage regulator. I’m sure you all call it Br...   Aug 19 2023, 06:03 PM
wonkipop   Voltage regulator. I’m sure you all call it Br...   Aug 19 2023, 06:05 PM
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