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> Looks like the 911 will be the last man standing.
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post Jul 27 2023, 11:29 AM
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In the future Porsche line-up, the 911 will stand alone.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-tran...els-2023-07-26/

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post Aug 17 2023, 05:10 AM
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If oil coming out of the ground is so bad. Why is lithium and cobalt coming out of the ground good? EV's are toys for rich people. That's what the owners tell me as I install charging outlets in peoples homes. Its just and a new toy.

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QUOTE(mate914 @ Aug 17 2023, 07:10 AM) *

If oil coming out of the ground is so bad. Why is lithium and cobalt coming out of the ground good? EV's are toys for rich people. That's what the owners tell me as I install charging outlets in peoples homes. Its just and a new toy.

Matt


I love it when a rando on a message board tells me that my DD for the past seven years, in which I've driven countless commutes, carpools, road trips, loads of gear from Costco & Home Depot, while spending nearly zero on maintenance... is a toy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)


It is, without a doubt, the most practical vehicle I've ever had.
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QUOTE(flipb @ Aug 17 2023, 05:47 AM) *

QUOTE(mate914 @ Aug 17 2023, 07:10 AM) *

If oil coming out of the ground is so bad. Why is lithium and cobalt coming out of the ground good? EV's are toys for rich people. That's what the owners tell me as I install charging outlets in peoples homes. Its just and a new toy.

Matt


I love it when a rando on a message board tells me that my DD for the past seven years, in which I've driven countless commutes, carpools, road trips, loads of gear from Costco & Home Depot, while spending nearly zero on maintenance... is a toy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)


It is, without a doubt, the most practical vehicle I've ever had.


From this guide the only thing you should not be maintaining is an ICE. With all that weight I’d think brakes, tires and axle bearings (whatever that may be on an EV) would be something I’d be checking often. And I’d imagine that the cost you’d put out to maintain an ICE will come when replacing the batteries. I had to look Rando up...

https://cyberbackpack.com/blogs/tesla-cyber...ASAAEgImK_D_BwE
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QUOTE(Shivers @ Aug 17 2023, 10:17 AM) *

From this guide the only thing you should not be maintaining is an ICE. With all that weight I’d think brakes, tires and axle bearings (whatever that may be on an EV) would be something I’d be checking often. And I’d imagine that the cost you’d put out to maintain an ICE will come when replacing the batteries. I had to look Rando up...

https://cyberbackpack.com/blogs/tesla-cyber...ASAAEgImK_D_BwE


I'm at 99K miles, and the brake pads are in great shape. Regen does most of the work. Unless it's a panic stop, I usually let Regen slow me down to ~15mph or less before using the friction brakes to come to a complete stop.

I replace the cabin air filter annually on my own. I top off windshield washer fluid and change the wipers on my own. I also replaced the headlight bulbs once, which was a PITA that involved removing the front wheel well liners.

A lot of Tesla owners complain about tire consumption but it hasn't been too bad for me. I just put on a new set after the Continentals lasted me around 30-40K miles.

My battery still has somewhere around 85% of its original capacity. I haven't done a 100% charge in a while to check... they recommend charging to 80-90% on a normal daily basis.

I probably should be on the lookout for wheel bearings and suspension bushings. I can go a couple of years without a Tesla tech looking at the car and finding things to recommend; it's easy to not think much about it.
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I think your electric car is a good thing. I am glad you can afford it, but most tax payers can not. Wait, is not Fairfax the richest county in the United states? I said toy an it hurt you? What is a 914, but a great toy!
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QUOTE(flipb @ Aug 17 2023, 10:47 AM) *

QUOTE(Shivers @ Aug 17 2023, 10:17 AM) *

From this guide the only thing you should not be maintaining is an ICE. With all that weight I’d think brakes, tires and axle bearings (whatever that may be on an EV) would be something I’d be checking often. And I’d imagine that the cost you’d put out to maintain an ICE will come when replacing the batteries. I had to look Rando up...

https://cyberbackpack.com/blogs/tesla-cyber...ASAAEgImK_D_BwE


I'm at 99K miles, and the brake pads are in great shape. Regen does most of the work. Unless it's a panic stop, I usually let Regen slow me down to ~15mph or less before using the friction brakes to come to a complete stop.

I replace the cabin air filter annually on my own. I top off windshield washer fluid and change the wipers on my own. I also replaced the headlight bulbs once, which was a PITA that involved removing the front wheel well liners.

A lot of Tesla owners complain about tire consumption but it hasn't been too bad for me. I just put on a new set after the Continentals lasted me around 30-40K miles.

My battery still has somewhere around 85% of its original capacity. I haven't done a 100% charge in a while to check... they recommend charging to 80-90% on a normal daily basis.

I probably should be on the lookout for wheel bearings and suspension bushings. I can go a couple of years without a Tesla tech looking at the car and finding things to recommend; it's easy to not think much about it.

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Maybe you should have called flipb's EV an appliance?

Just like an EV, my fridge runs on electricity and I haven't needed to do anything to it for 7 years. Of course maybe I should throw out that moldy thing growing in the corner...

A DD is an appliance in my eyes - what else could you call a Corolla?

I definitely agree that the 914 is a great toy... I spend more time playing with it than driving it and I don't take it to Costco either.

EVs have their place and will become more common (hopefully less expensive too). The hurt will come when the battery reaches an unreliable state and needs to be replaced. Congrats to the early adopters for helping push the technology along.

Right now every EV user is getting a free ride when it comes to road maintenance taxes. Gasoline is loaded with taxes in Canada... ~$5 (USD) per gallon for regular. Every EV is being subsidized by ICE vehicles. Once we reach a threshold with lots of EVs, or no new ICE cars to buy, governments are going figure out they need to tax them. Expect having to go to the DMV to report your EV milage (with verification) and pay a per mile tax each year or month... There is no reliable way with at home charging to tell which electron charged the car and which one ran your fridge. Of course since the EVs are all "connected" Elon could just send you a monthly tax bill knowing how far you've driven when and where... Big brother is tracking you...

So leave your cell phone at home, drive the 914, give big brother the finger and enjoy the freedom (while you can).




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I think your electric car is a good thing. I am glad you can afford it, but most tax payers can not. Wait, is not Fairfax the richest county in the United states? I said toy an it hurt you? What is a 914, but a great toy!
Matt



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EVs have their place and will become more common (hopefully less expensive too).


Don’t hold your breath waiting for EV’s to become less expensive.

All EV’s depend on RARE earth metals both for batteries as well for motor magnets. No one has outlined how or where all these rare earth, raw materials will come from as the entire world mandates EVs.

Mines are capital intensive and notoriously slow to bring incremental capacity online even when the location of reserves are known. Did anyone notice how much of the supply chain for rare earth materials is owned and controlled by China?

Then there is the fact that several OEMs have recently INCREASED pricing on EV’s despite slow sales that ought to be leading to discounted pricing.
Ford Lightening
Ford Mach-e
Chevy Bolt
Mercedes

New manufacturers that have increased pricing over initial offerings / reservation prices.
Rivian
Lucid

Yes, I’m aware Tesla has cut some pricing as they attempt to keep production numbers up and cash flow positive. Their model line up is aging and early adopter demand has been fulfilled at a price premium that they could command early on. Likewise, the price cuts have come with reduced battery capacity . . . So there’s that.
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Unobtanium-inc   Looks like the 911 will be the last man standing.   Jul 27 2023, 11:29 AM
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