Looks like the 911 will be the last man standing. Options

[Unobtanium-inc]

In the future Porsche line-up, the 911 will stand alone.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-tran...els-2023-07-26/

[mate914]

If oil coming out of the ground is so bad. Why is lithium and cobalt coming out of the ground good? EV's are toys for rich people. That's what the owners tell me as I install charging outlets in peoples homes. Its just and a new toy.

Matt

[flipb]

If oil coming out of the ground is so bad. Why is lithium and cobalt coming out of the ground good? EV's are toys for rich people. That's what the owners tell me as I install charging outlets in peoples homes. Its just and a new toy.

Matt

I love it when a rando on a message board tells me that my DD for the past seven years, in which I've driven countless commutes, carpools, road trips, loads of gear from Costco & Home Depot, while spending nearly zero on maintenance... is a toy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)


It is, without a doubt, the most practical vehicle I've ever had.

[Shivers]

If oil coming out of the ground is so bad. Why is lithium and cobalt coming out of the ground good? EV's are toys for rich people. That's what the owners tell me as I install charging outlets in peoples homes. Its just and a new toy.

Matt

I love it when a rando on a message board tells me that my DD for the past seven years, in which I've driven countless commutes, carpools, road trips, loads of gear from Costco & Home Depot, while spending nearly zero on maintenance... is a toy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)


It is, without a doubt, the most practical vehicle I've ever had.

From this guide the only thing you should not be maintaining is an ICE. With all that weight I’d think brakes, tires and axle bearings (whatever that may be on an EV) would be something I’d be checking often. And I’d imagine that the cost you’d put out to maintain an ICE will come when replacing the batteries. I had to look Rando up...

https://cyberbackpack.com/blogs/tesla-cyber...ASAAEgImK_D_BwE

[flipb]

From this guide the only thing you should not be maintaining is an ICE. With all that weight I’d think brakes, tires and axle bearings (whatever that may be on an EV) would be something I’d be checking often. And I’d imagine that the cost you’d put out to maintain an ICE will come when replacing the batteries. I had to look Rando up...

https://cyberbackpack.com/blogs/tesla-cyber...ASAAEgImK_D_BwE

I'm at 99K miles, and the brake pads are in great shape. Regen does most of the work. Unless it's a panic stop, I usually let Regen slow me down to ~15mph or less before using the friction brakes to come to a complete stop.

I replace the cabin air filter annually on my own. I top off windshield washer fluid and change the wipers on my own. I also replaced the headlight bulbs once, which was a PITA that involved removing the front wheel well liners.

A lot of Tesla owners complain about tire consumption but it hasn't been too bad for me. I just put on a new set after the Continentals lasted me around 30-40K miles.

My battery still has somewhere around 85% of its original capacity. I haven't done a 100% charge in a while to check... they recommend charging to 80-90% on a normal daily basis.

I probably should be on the lookout for wheel bearings and suspension bushings. I can go a couple of years without a Tesla tech looking at the car and finding things to recommend; it's easy to not think much about it.

[mate914]

I think your electric car is a good thing. I am glad you can afford it, but most tax payers can not. Wait, is not Fairfax the richest county in the United states? I said toy an it hurt you? What is a 914, but a great toy!
Matt

From this guide the only thing you should not be maintaining is an ICE. With all that weight I’d think brakes, tires and axle bearings (whatever that may be on an EV) would be something I’d be checking often. And I’d imagine that the cost you’d put out to maintain an ICE will come when replacing the batteries. I had to look Rando up...

https://cyberbackpack.com/blogs/tesla-cyber...ASAAEgImK_D_BwE

I'm at 99K miles, and the brake pads are in great shape. Regen does most of the work. Unless it's a panic stop, I usually let Regen slow me down to ~15mph or less before using the friction brakes to come to a complete stop.

I replace the cabin air filter annually on my own. I top off windshield washer fluid and change the wipers on my own. I also replaced the headlight bulbs once, which was a PITA that involved removing the front wheel well liners.

A lot of Tesla owners complain about tire consumption but it hasn't been too bad for me. I just put on a new set after the Continentals lasted me around 30-40K miles.

My battery still has somewhere around 85% of its original capacity. I haven't done a 100% charge in a while to check... they recommend charging to 80-90% on a normal daily basis.

I probably should be on the lookout for wheel bearings and suspension bushings. I can go a couple of years without a Tesla tech looking at the car and finding things to recommend; it's easy to not think much about it.

[vitamin914]

Maybe you should have called flipb's EV an appliance?

Just like an EV, my fridge runs on electricity and I haven't needed to do anything to it for 7 years. Of course maybe I should throw out that moldy thing growing in the corner...

A DD is an appliance in my eyes - what else could you call a Corolla?

I definitely agree that the 914 is a great toy... I spend more time playing with it than driving it and I don't take it to Costco either.

EVs have their place and will become more common (hopefully less expensive too). The hurt will come when the battery reaches an unreliable state and needs to be replaced. Congrats to the early adopters for helping push the technology along.

Right now every EV user is getting a free ride when it comes to road maintenance taxes. Gasoline is loaded with taxes in Canada... ~$5 (USD) per gallon for regular. Every EV is being subsidized by ICE vehicles. Once we reach a threshold with lots of EVs, or no new ICE cars to buy, governments are going figure out they need to tax them. Expect having to go to the DMV to report your EV milage (with verification) and pay a per mile tax each year or month... There is no reliable way with at home charging to tell which electron charged the car and which one ran your fridge. Of course since the EVs are all "connected" Elon could just send you a monthly tax bill knowing how far you've driven when and where... Big brother is tracking you...

So leave your cell phone at home, drive the 914, give big brother the finger and enjoy the freedom (while you can).

I think your electric car is a good thing. I am glad you can afford it, but most tax payers can not. Wait, is not Fairfax the richest county in the United states? I said toy an it hurt you? What is a 914, but a great toy!
Matt

[flipb]

Maybe you should have called flipb's EV an appliance?

Just like an EV, my fridge runs on electricity and I haven't needed to do anything to it for 7 years. Of course maybe I should throw out that moldy thing growing in the corner...

A DD is an appliance in my eyes - what else could you call a Corolla?

I definitely agree that the 914 is a great toy... I spend more time playing with it than driving it and I don't take it to Costco either.

EVs have their place and will become more common (hopefully less expensive too). The hurt will come when the battery reaches an unreliable state and needs to be replaced. Congrats to the early adopters for helping push the technology along.

Right now every EV user is getting a free ride when it comes to road maintenance taxes. Gasoline is loaded with taxes in Canada... ~$5 (USD) per gallon for regular. Every EV is being subsidized by ICE vehicles. Once we reach a threshold with lots of EVs, or no new ICE cars to buy, governments are going figure out they need to tax them. Expect having to go to the DMV to report your EV milage (with verification) and pay a per mile tax each year or month... There is no reliable way with at home charging to tell which electron charged the car and which one ran your fridge. Of course since the EVs are all "connected" Elon could just send you a monthly tax bill knowing how far you've driven when and where... Big brother is tracking you...

So leave your cell phone at home, drive the 914, give big brother the finger and enjoy the freedom (while you can).

As you noted, there are plenty of ICE vehicles that are appliances, too. The Kia I drove for seven years before I bought my used Tesla felt way more like an appliance. It did the job, and had zero soul (ironic, for a Kia). I bought my 914 when the Kia was my DD because I needed an outlet for fun driving.

The Tesla is appliance-like in some ways, but 5 sec 0-60 is pretty un-appliance-like. And for a heavy car, it handles well with all the weight down low. It's certainly not a "driver's car" but I wouldn't describe it as boring to drive either.

For what it's worth: many US states including Virginia, where I live, are figuring out how to extract tax revenue from EVs in lieu of paying gas tax. The "Highway Use Fee" is set to be approximately equivalent to a 30mpg car driving 15K miles per year. I average less than 10K (due to working from home) so they're making money on me, relatively.

If it were up to me, they'd implement a tax system for everyone based on vehicle Gross Weight and actual odometer miles driven per year. Would be easy enough since Virginia already has a mandatory annual safety inspection - just record the odometer reading.

There are now EVs for sale across a wide band of price points, including many below the median new car price in the US. Running costs are way lower than an ICE vehicle. Calling them rich people's toys is about 5-10 years out of date.

[Superhawk996]

There are now EVs for sale across a wide band of price points, including many below the median new car price in the US.

Average transaction price March 2023. $48,008



Average EV transaction price $53,438 March 2023

Second data set by segment:

[flipb]

There are now EVs for sale across a wide band of price points, including many below the median new car price in the US.

Average transaction price March 2023. $48,008



Average EV transaction price $53,483 March 2023

No idea what point you're trying to make here... "many [EVs] below the median new car price in the US"

• Hyundai Ioniq 6 - $46,615 - range 361 miles
• Tesla Model 3 - $41,630 - range 272 miles
• Hyundai Kona - $34,885 - range 258 miles
• Chevy Bolt - $27,495 - range 259 miles
• Toyota bZ4X - $43,335 - range 252 miles
• Chevy Bolt EUV - $28,795 - range 247 miles
• Hyundai Ioniq 5 - $45,295 - range 303 miles
• Kia Niro - $40,875 - range 253 miles
• Nissan Leaf - $29,135 - range 149 miles
• Mini Hardtop Cooper SE - $30,895 - range 114 miles
• Volkswagen ID.4 - $40,290 - range 209 miles
• Ford Mustang Mach-E - $44,795 - range 247 miles

Besides, are you really arguing that the 11% premium commanded by the Average EV puts them out of reach?