Looks like the 911 will be the last man standing. Options

[Unobtanium-inc]

In the future Porsche line-up, the 911 will stand alone.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-tran...els-2023-07-26/

[TomE]

I worked in the electric utility industry for 30 years. Our electric grid can't handle all the AC units when we have a prolonged heatwave. One major power supply in the midwest going down will cascade the entire east coast with no power. We came very close a couple of times. Our grid can not even begin to handle EV replacements for every vehicle. The worst part is there is absolutely no reason to change them over to EV.

[930cabman]

I worked in the electric utility industry for 30 years. Our electric grid can't handle all the AC units when we have a prolonged heatwave. One major power supply in the midwest going down will cascade the entire east coast with no power. We came very close a couple of times. Our grid can not even begin to handle EV replacements for every vehicle. The worst part is there is absolutely no reason to change them over to EV.

Tom only has 30 years experience, he just might know a thing or two.

Problem is, nobody is listening.

EV may have advantages, but we do need to look at the whole picture

[TomE]

I worked in the electric utility industry for 30 years. Our electric grid can't handle all the AC units when we have a prolonged heatwave. One major power supply in the midwest going down will cascade the entire east coast with no power. We came very close a couple of times. Our grid can not even begin to handle EV replacements for every vehicle. The worst part is there is absolutely no reason to change them over to EV.

Tom only has 30 years experience, he just might know a thing or two.

Problem is, nobody is listening.

EV may have advantages, but we do need to look at the whole picture

Problem is no one is listening? Well thank you. It is very complicated and VERY expensive to rebuild the grid. Guess who is going to pay for it?

[wonkipop]

I worked in the electric utility industry for 30 years. Our electric grid can't handle all the AC units when we have a prolonged heatwave. One major power supply in the midwest going down will cascade the entire east coast with no power. We came very close a couple of times. Our grid can not even begin to handle EV replacements for every vehicle. The worst part is there is absolutely no reason to change them over to EV.

Tom only has 30 years experience, he just might know a thing or two.

Problem is, nobody is listening.

EV may have advantages, but we do need to look at the whole picture

Problem is no one is listening? Well thank you. It is very complicated and VERY expensive to rebuild the grid. Guess who is going to pay for it?

you sound like the blokes i talk to down in the latrobe valley.
they hang out at the metung sailing club.
all ex oil and gas engineers from the bass straight oil fields (esso - exxon).
along with the old retired coal power station chief engineers.
they are saying the same thing while quietly shaking their heads and hoping they are not around long enough to experience the chaos or cop the costs.

probably the most stupid thing happening here is there was a chance to replace either one or two of the current brown coal fired power stations with a gas fired set up.
the gas is just off shore but the current govt. has banned any further exploitation of the reserves. it could have been diverted off the pipe lines that already exist a very short distance to the current power station locations. from there the entire high voltage transmission system could have remain intact.

it would have made complete sense as bridging tech for the next 25 years.
it would have reduced C02 emissions from electrical generation to 1/3 of present levels.
it would have guaranteed energy security and probably could have coped (just) with charge demands on EV take up which is just going to escalate.

but no. instead we are trying to connect to giant pv panel farms that apparently will be built in south australia and turn hundreds of acres of the beautiful desert into a giant mirror.
AND require a complete rebuild of the high voltage transmission lines.
ie shift them to the other side of the state completely and come in from the other direction.

Already the farmers are going mental. huge swathes of prime grazing and farming land will ultimately be ordered seized under govt. legislation to build this transmission system.

its madness because its trying to be too absolute, too quickly. it can't be pulled off?
the plan is just plain extreme with no plan B backup.

on top of that australians remain rigidly opposed to any kind of nuclear option.
(maybe thats just as well, who knows).

i imagine its the same in the USA.

toyota is here with the hydrogen alternative. sure its got problems but they are backing it big. at a minimum heavy transport will be hydrogen fuel powered. of that i have absolutely no doubt. maybe not cars. but definitely the bigger stuff.
be a lot of water vapor in the atmopshere then i suppose? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)