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> How good is good enough, DAPO?
930cabman
post Jan 15 2024, 06:29 AM
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Given this former Cali car is coming up on 50 years and probably not always taken good care of, I am lucky to have this level or rusting. I went after it with Ospho, wire brush and clean rinse.

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Will be applying POR 15 to this area.

Question: my gut tells me the well adhered tar is sound and is not hiding any rusting.

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post Jan 15 2024, 12:03 PM
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More devils advocate:

IMHO POR 15 has its uses.

Low buck, low quality, heavily rusted stuff you don’t care about too much but where you are wanting it painted is where I tend to use it.

POR15 is a moisture cure urethane product largely for Paint Over Rust (POR) as the name implies. It depends on the adhesion of the rust to iron to form its bond to metal while sealing the rust underneath. It does not stop rust under that coating despite what is implied.

When used on bare metal, it doesn’t form as strong of a bond as epoxy primer. The instances of POR15 peeling off in sheets from bare metal (smooth or sandblasted) are well documented. This always gets blamed on prep, but is the nature of the beast (moisture cure) paint which was not designed to be used as “primer”. Likewise, once cured, other paints don’t like to bond to POR15. And per the POR literature, POR15 isn’t UV stable so it needs to be topcoated if exposed to UV. But . . . Other paint doesn’t stick well to it . . . So there’s that little problem.

I don’t think highly of POR15, but have used it on occasion, I thought I’d outline why it isn’t the right product to use for OP’s proposed purpose.
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930cabman   How good is good enough   Jan 15 2024, 06:29 AM
barefoot   Agree, looks good :beer2: :beer2:   Jan 15 2024, 07:15 AM
Superhawk996   Looks pretty good but playing devils advocate - an...   Jan 15 2024, 08:17 AM
930cabman   Looks pretty good but playing devils advocate - a...   Jan 15 2024, 02:45 PM
Superhawk996   . . . yes there is rust under what appeared to b...   Jan 15 2024, 02:51 PM
JeffBowlsby   Or dry ice. That remnant tar looks pretty ratty, ...   Jan 15 2024, 08:47 AM
mb911   Por 15 is trash. You’re on the right track but...   Jan 15 2024, 08:57 AM
930cabman   Por 15 is trash. You’re on the right track bu...   Jan 15 2024, 09:50 AM
SirAndy   Por 15 is trash. :agree: Been there, done tha...   Jan 15 2024, 11:23 AM
Superhawk996   Por 15 is trash. You’re on the right track bu...   Jan 15 2024, 11:41 AM
friethmiller   Por 15 is trash. You’re on the right track b...   Jan 15 2024, 08:26 PM
worn   Por 15 is trash. You’re on the right track bu...   Jan 17 2024, 06:22 PM
930cabman   Por 15 is trash. You’re on the right track b...   Jan 18 2024, 07:34 AM
rhodyguy   Mar-Hyde is a first rate rust conversion product. ...   Jan 15 2024, 10:39 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   and definitely replace the original factory floor ...   Jan 15 2024, 11:18 AM
Superhawk996   More devils advocate: IMHO POR 15 has its uses. ...   Jan 15 2024, 12:03 PM
burton73   You need to use an Awl and push in the areas that ...   Jan 15 2024, 04:04 PM
930cabman   I will go after all of the rusted areas tomorrow w...   Jan 15 2024, 06:33 PM
Superhawk996   I think you’ll like it. @friethmiller I stru...   Jan 15 2024, 09:09 PM
friethmiller   I think you’ll like it. [b]@[url=http://www.9...   Jan 15 2024, 10:35 PM
930cabman   Almost passed the awl test, one small (less than 1...   Jan 16 2024, 07:48 AM
rjames   Almost passed the awl test, one small (less than ...   Jan 17 2024, 03:47 PM
930cabman   Almost passed the awl test, one small (less than...   Jan 17 2024, 04:51 PM
Olympic 914   Another option to the POR 15 is Rust Bullet. Used...   Jan 16 2024, 07:59 AM
draganc   Another option to the POR 15 is Rust Bullet. Use...   Jan 20 2024, 09:01 PM
budk   Or use one of these and get it squeaky clean. ...   Jan 16 2024, 08:19 AM
Rufus   Reading this thread has given me a case of the “...   Jan 17 2024, 01:05 AM
930cabman   Reading this thread has given me a case of the ...   Jan 17 2024, 06:24 AM
MikeK   Reading this thread has given me a case of the ...   Jan 17 2024, 10:46 AM
JmuRiz   [quote name='Rufus' post='3124047' date='Jan 17 2...   Jan 18 2024, 10:42 AM
barefoot   I used Loctite "Extend rust treatment" w...   Jan 17 2024, 09:30 AM
Rufus   Excellent, that’s what I was hoping. Thanks guys   Jan 17 2024, 12:37 PM
Superhawk996   If using Ospho be sure to rinse / neutralize it th...   Jan 18 2024, 09:11 AM
Rufus   Mine passed a very preliminary awl test. I’ll ge...   Jan 18 2024, 01:29 PM
thomasotten   From the Por-15 Tech sheet: POR-15® Rust Preventi...   Jan 18 2024, 10:04 PM
Superhawk996   What is seasoned metal? Your average 914. Se...   Jan 18 2024, 11:01 PM
Superhawk996   I’ve gotten confused with all the discussion abo...   Jan 18 2024, 10:31 PM
930cabman   I would guess seasoned metal has been treated by t...   Jan 19 2024, 06:05 AM
rjames   I would guess seasoned metal has been treated by ...   Jan 19 2024, 10:16 AM
930cabman   I would guess seasoned metal has been treated by...   Jan 19 2024, 10:55 AM
bkrantz   [quote name='rjames' post='3124435' date='Jan 19 ...   Jan 22 2024, 08:05 PM
Front yard mechanic   Kinda like treated metal … I took my car to Dair...   Jan 19 2024, 07:11 AM
Superhawk996   Kinda like treated metal … I took my car to Dai...   Jan 19 2024, 07:17 AM
MikeK   The only seasoning of metal I know about is in ref...   Jan 19 2024, 10:08 AM
thomasotten   Perhaps I wasn’t clear. Sometimes people get sca...   Jan 20 2024, 07:18 AM
Superhawk996   This thread has become really interesting to see w...   Jan 20 2024, 12:16 PM
bkrantz   This thread has become really interesting to see ...   Jan 20 2024, 09:01 PM
Cairo94507   When I was looking to buy a 914, excessive and fre...   Jan 20 2024, 02:45 PM
930cabman   When I was looking to buy a 914, excessive and fr...   Jan 20 2024, 05:30 PM
r_towle   We are all DAPO of the future.   Jan 20 2024, 09:47 PM
930cabman   We are all DAPO of the future. Not sure if I ag...   Jan 21 2024, 06:48 PM
VaccaRabite   We are all DAPO of the future. Not sure if I a...   Jan 22 2024, 11:43 AM
Superhawk996   Well that’s a dismal view of the community. I t...   Jan 22 2024, 12:57 PM
930cabman   Well that’s a dismal view of the community. I ...   Jan 22 2024, 03:57 PM
r_towle   I will correct my statement I am a future DAPO T...   Jan 22 2024, 05:15 PM


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