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> Wilwood big brakes, 914-4 brakes
Freezin 914
post Jan 21 2024, 09:22 PM
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I figure some here will have more info on this, but Wilwood is advertising it has a big brake available for 914-4s. Just in case anyone would be interested. I haven’t even looked it up yet, but seen the ad in Excellence.
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post Jan 22 2024, 12:53 PM
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Most Wilwood "kits" include the cheaper "non-booted" Wilwood calipers.
These don't have the rubber boots that protect the pistons and the caliper bodies because when used in competition the boots tend to melt.
You are EXPECTED to reseal the calipers once a year at a minimum. These are extremely suspect of electrolytic corrosion. The steel to aluminum transition is not protected at all and brake fluid is highly hygroscopic. End result is a corroded-up caliper by the second year unless you NEVER get it wet...

Wilwood has booted versions of all of their calipers for street/off road applications, but they are commonly $100 more expensive per caliper and the "boots" are not as secure as a stock ATE caliper.

For a street-based car, the big brake kits require far more maintenance that stock stuff.

What I'm after with a BBK on a streetcar is a reduction of un-sprung weight and the "look".

My BBK plans include stock Boxster calipers which are both light weight and have very nice secure boots on all of the pistons.

Bigger contact patch (tires) and appropriate pads for the intended use are the critical things here. Stock stuff should work FINE with upgraded pads.

I chose Porterfield RS-4 because of everyone's recommendations for street use.

My 75 narrow body is using the BMW 320I front calipers, stock rear calipers, 19mm master, stock pressure regulator, and RS-4s all the way round.

My 76 916 clone will be using Boxster calipers and this set up for the pressure side of things. With dual masters and a balance bar I will not need a proportioning valve at all, and I can choose masters that will allow me to use ANY calipers I want.


I've been watching for something like this for a year!

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=368858

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post Jan 22 2024, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE(technicalninja @ Jan 22 2024, 01:53 PM) *

Most Wilwood "kits" include the cheaper "non-booted" Wilwood calipers.
These don't have the rubber boots that protect the pistons and the caliper bodies because when used in competition the boots tend to melt.
You are EXPECTED to reseal the calipers once a year at a minimum. These are extremely suspect of electrolytic corrosion. The steel to aluminum transition is not protected at all and brake fluid is highly hygroscopic. End result is a corroded-up caliper by the second year unless you NEVER get it wet...

Wilwood has booted versions of all of their calipers for street/off road applications, but they are commonly $100 more expensive per caliper and the "boots" are not as secure as a stock ATE caliper.

For a street-based car, the big brake kits require far more maintenance that stock stuff.

What I'm after with a BBK on a streetcar is a reduction of un-sprung weight and the "l

Bigger contact patch (tires) and appropriate pads for the intended use are the critical things here. Stock stuff should work FINE with upgraded pads.

I chose Porterfield RS-4 because of everyone's recommendations for street use.

My 75 narrow body is using the BMW 320I front calipers, stock rear calipers, 19mm master, stock pressure regulator, and RS-4s all the way round.

My 76 916 clone will be using Boxster calipers and this set up for the pressure side of things. With dual masters and a balance bar I will not need a proportioning valve at all, and I can choose masters that will allow me to use ANY calipers I want.


I've been watching for something like this for a year!

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=368858


I had BMW front calipers and the front brakes were doing 90% of the braking. The rear pads were hardly worn while the front pads were shot. I switched back to stock front calipers with Porterfield R4-S pads and pad wear is even all around. Greg Amy uses BMW calipers up front, but installed a brake proportion valve with heavy bias towards the rear for even braking.
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Freezin 914   Wilwood big brakes   Jan 21 2024, 09:22 PM
burton73   I figure some here will have more info on this, b...   Jan 21 2024, 10:24 PM
Freezin 914   I did go on their site, really didn’t find much....   Jan 22 2024, 06:42 AM
Geezer914   It appears the cost F&R would be around ...   Jan 22 2024, 07:34 AM
GregAmy   That is quite interesting! But I'm with J...   Jan 22 2024, 07:46 AM
PatMc   That is quite interesting! However, one bi...   Jan 25 2024, 06:46 PM
mepstein   Just call them. I forget his name but they know th...   Jan 22 2024, 07:47 AM
BIGKAT_83   Did mine 20years ago when they were $100 a ca...   Jan 22 2024, 07:55 AM
Superhawk996   Fact: tire grip is the single largest contributor...   Jan 22 2024, 08:17 AM
brant   Fact: tire grip is the single largest contributo...   Jan 22 2024, 08:52 AM
BENBRO02   Fact: tire grip is the single largest contributo...   Jan 22 2024, 01:10 PM
Olympic 914   [quote name='Superhawk996' post='3124939' date='J...   Jan 22 2024, 01:31 PM
Superhawk996   [quote name='Superhawk996' post='3124939' date='...   Jan 22 2024, 02:09 PM
Shivers   They look smaller than these and I need 16” mini...   Jan 22 2024, 08:18 AM
Olympic 914   They look smaller than these and I need 16” min...   Jan 22 2024, 08:23 AM
Shivers   They look smaller than these and I need 16” mi...   Jan 22 2024, 08:51 AM
Freezin 914   Just wanted to let people know, I know I don’t n...   Jan 22 2024, 08:41 AM
Shivers   Just wanted to let people know, I know I don’t ...   Jan 22 2024, 08:59 AM
Superhawk996   06:41 AM'] Just wanted to let people know, I ...   Jan 22 2024, 09:17 AM
Shivers   [quote name='Shivers' post='3124949' date='Jan 22...   Jan 22 2024, 05:28 PM
GregAmy   Stock worked pretty good for a while. But the brak...   Jan 22 2024, 09:21 AM
Superhawk996   . . (seems like the braking got better when it we...   Jan 22 2024, 09:37 AM
Superhawk996   Stock worked pretty good for a while. But the bra...   Jan 22 2024, 09:39 AM
Freezin 914   [quote name='GregAmy' post='3124954' date='Jan 22...   Jan 22 2024, 09:56 AM
Jamie   [quote name='GregAmy' post='3124954' date='Jan 2...   Jan 22 2024, 10:15 AM
GregAmy   OK gang, for those of us street drivers with mostl...   Jan 22 2024, 10:40 AM
Superhawk996   OK gang, for those of us street drivers with most...   Jan 22 2024, 01:09 PM
Geezer914   Porterfield R4-S pads from PMB performance. Maybe...   Jan 22 2024, 10:34 AM
horizontally-opposed   Surprised to see this offering, but delighted none...   Jan 22 2024, 12:53 PM
technicalninja   Most Wilwood "kits" include the cheaper ...   Jan 22 2024, 12:53 PM
Geezer914   Most Wilwood "kits" include the cheaper...   Jan 22 2024, 03:19 PM
technicalninja   I try to have two sets... An all season on a narr...   Jan 22 2024, 02:06 PM
technicalninja   I had BMW front calipers and the front brakes wer...   Jan 22 2024, 03:56 PM
GregAmy   That is the exact opposite to what I would have b...   Jan 22 2024, 04:49 PM
GregAmy   To give you a sense on what I mean by "knee p...   Jan 22 2024, 05:03 PM
Superhawk996   That is the exact opposite to what I would have ...   Jan 22 2024, 06:40 PM
GregAmy   It would be considered negligent in a court of law...   Jan 22 2024, 07:08 PM
Superhawk996   I HATE the original pressure regulator. In stoc...   Jan 22 2024, 06:48 PM
technicalninja   Maybe I have the rear pressure accumulator backwar...   Jan 22 2024, 05:44 PM
GregAmy   The 914 valve only sees rear pressure and it mere...   Jan 22 2024, 06:19 PM
technicalninja   Thanks Greg! That thread doesn't change ho...   Jan 22 2024, 06:45 PM
gereed75   I run a similarWilwood front caliper and a smaller...   Jan 22 2024, 07:29 PM
Geezer914   Chris Foley,(Tangerine Racing) experimented with t...   Jan 22 2024, 07:33 PM
technicalninja   Taken under advisement Superhawk996.   Jan 22 2024, 08:06 PM
Superhawk996   Taken under advisement Superhawk996. :beer2: ...   Jan 22 2024, 08:26 PM
tazz9924   Without a wall of text I’ve been very happy with...   Jan 22 2024, 09:17 PM
technicalninja   The only thing that I've read that makes sense...   Jan 22 2024, 09:33 PM
Superhawk996   It is true that factory manual refers to it as a p...   Jan 22 2024, 10:48 PM
Superhawk996   I’ll post one last bit of information to further...   Jan 22 2024, 11:26 PM
technicalninja   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Jan 23 2024, 02:07 PM
Superhawk996   Post the data when you have it. :beer2:   Jan 23 2024, 04:13 PM
GregAmy   I got approval from the Wilwood guy to post his em...   Jan 23 2024, 04:36 PM
Freezin 914   I got approval from the Wilwood guy to post his e...   Jan 23 2024, 05:05 PM
Van B   I got approval from the Wilwood guy to post his e...   Jan 23 2024, 05:51 PM
technicalninja   At 2K for the entire set up including a functional...   Jan 23 2024, 05:44 PM
technicalninja   PSA on an issue I've seen multiple times with ...   Jan 26 2024, 11:30 AM


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