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Freezin 914
post Jan 21 2024, 09:22 PM
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I figure some here will have more info on this, but Wilwood is advertising it has a big brake available for 914-4s. Just in case anyone would be interested. I haven’t even looked it up yet, but seen the ad in Excellence.
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post Jan 22 2024, 05:44 PM
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Maybe I have the rear pressure accumulator backwards...

A real proportioning valve (that has both front and rear circuits into the unit) hits a knee point that proportionally reduces the rear pressure. As the front pressure goes higher the rear pressure also increases but at a slower rate.

The 914 valve only sees rear pressure and it merely shuts it off at a spring-loaded point.
Once you hit that point the rear pressure doesn't change in any way, it doesn't drop or gain until you release the brakes at which point the pressure drops off and the accumulator section dumps its load back into the master.
This non-knee point is why I don't like them. It can be "tuned" with spring changes, but it is not proportional in any way.

The way I understand it is if you lower the spring rate on the accumulator section you lower the pressure it activates at and instead of the stock 525 you see something less.

OMG are you right on basic OEM brake set ups. They should always put heavy bias to the front.
Morons can deal with front lock up SO MUCH BETTER than rear.

As the CG of the car moves rearward this gets more important.

I just read your second post...
The puppy that Porsche installed looks like a simple accumulator to me.
I've worked with shitloads of these (automatic transmissions!). Normally they accumulate extra volume/pressure and are released to make something happen faster.
I don't think you will ever see any higher pressure in the rear system than what the valve operates at.
Now, I'm going to have to take one apart to investigate further.

A bit of search led me here.
https://tiltonracing.com/wp-content/uploads...ning-Valve_.pdf

That is COOL! the one line only Tilton valve definitely has a knee point. You can adjust when it happens, but you cannot adjust the percentage of proportion.
Still way cool!

The Tilton valve does NOT look like an accumulator, but the Porsche part does...

Thanks @GregAmy just the tidbit about how the Tilton valve works was worth it!
I'm big on balance bar dual masters but that link has shown a deficiency in my thought process. I'll be adding one of those to the 916 clone...
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Freezin 914   Wilwood big brakes   Jan 21 2024, 09:22 PM
burton73   I figure some here will have more info on this, b...   Jan 21 2024, 10:24 PM
Freezin 914   I did go on their site, really didn’t find much....   Jan 22 2024, 06:42 AM
Geezer914   It appears the cost F&R would be around ...   Jan 22 2024, 07:34 AM
GregAmy   That is quite interesting! But I'm with J...   Jan 22 2024, 07:46 AM
PatMc   That is quite interesting! However, one bi...   Jan 25 2024, 06:46 PM
mepstein   Just call them. I forget his name but they know th...   Jan 22 2024, 07:47 AM
BIGKAT_83   Did mine 20years ago when they were $100 a ca...   Jan 22 2024, 07:55 AM
Superhawk996   Fact: tire grip is the single largest contributor...   Jan 22 2024, 08:17 AM
brant   Fact: tire grip is the single largest contributo...   Jan 22 2024, 08:52 AM
BENBRO02   Fact: tire grip is the single largest contributo...   Jan 22 2024, 01:10 PM
Olympic 914   [quote name='Superhawk996' post='3124939' date='J...   Jan 22 2024, 01:31 PM
Superhawk996   [quote name='Superhawk996' post='3124939' date='...   Jan 22 2024, 02:09 PM
Shivers   They look smaller than these and I need 16” mini...   Jan 22 2024, 08:18 AM
Olympic 914   They look smaller than these and I need 16” min...   Jan 22 2024, 08:23 AM
Shivers   They look smaller than these and I need 16” mi...   Jan 22 2024, 08:51 AM
Freezin 914   Just wanted to let people know, I know I don’t n...   Jan 22 2024, 08:41 AM
Shivers   Just wanted to let people know, I know I don’t ...   Jan 22 2024, 08:59 AM
Superhawk996   06:41 AM'] Just wanted to let people know, I ...   Jan 22 2024, 09:17 AM
Shivers   [quote name='Shivers' post='3124949' date='Jan 22...   Jan 22 2024, 05:28 PM
GregAmy   Stock worked pretty good for a while. But the brak...   Jan 22 2024, 09:21 AM
Superhawk996   . . (seems like the braking got better when it we...   Jan 22 2024, 09:37 AM
Superhawk996   Stock worked pretty good for a while. But the bra...   Jan 22 2024, 09:39 AM
Freezin 914   [quote name='GregAmy' post='3124954' date='Jan 22...   Jan 22 2024, 09:56 AM
Jamie   [quote name='GregAmy' post='3124954' date='Jan 2...   Jan 22 2024, 10:15 AM
GregAmy   OK gang, for those of us street drivers with mostl...   Jan 22 2024, 10:40 AM
Superhawk996   OK gang, for those of us street drivers with most...   Jan 22 2024, 01:09 PM
Geezer914   Porterfield R4-S pads from PMB performance. Maybe...   Jan 22 2024, 10:34 AM
horizontally-opposed   Surprised to see this offering, but delighted none...   Jan 22 2024, 12:53 PM
technicalninja   Most Wilwood "kits" include the cheaper ...   Jan 22 2024, 12:53 PM
Geezer914   Most Wilwood "kits" include the cheaper...   Jan 22 2024, 03:19 PM
technicalninja   I try to have two sets... An all season on a narr...   Jan 22 2024, 02:06 PM
technicalninja   I had BMW front calipers and the front brakes wer...   Jan 22 2024, 03:56 PM
GregAmy   That is the exact opposite to what I would have b...   Jan 22 2024, 04:49 PM
GregAmy   To give you a sense on what I mean by "knee p...   Jan 22 2024, 05:03 PM
Superhawk996   That is the exact opposite to what I would have ...   Jan 22 2024, 06:40 PM
GregAmy   It would be considered negligent in a court of law...   Jan 22 2024, 07:08 PM
Superhawk996   I HATE the original pressure regulator. In stoc...   Jan 22 2024, 06:48 PM
technicalninja   Maybe I have the rear pressure accumulator backwar...   Jan 22 2024, 05:44 PM
GregAmy   The 914 valve only sees rear pressure and it mere...   Jan 22 2024, 06:19 PM
technicalninja   Thanks Greg! That thread doesn't change ho...   Jan 22 2024, 06:45 PM
gereed75   I run a similarWilwood front caliper and a smaller...   Jan 22 2024, 07:29 PM
Geezer914   Chris Foley,(Tangerine Racing) experimented with t...   Jan 22 2024, 07:33 PM
technicalninja   Taken under advisement Superhawk996.   Jan 22 2024, 08:06 PM
Superhawk996   Taken under advisement Superhawk996. :beer2: ...   Jan 22 2024, 08:26 PM
tazz9924   Without a wall of text I’ve been very happy with...   Jan 22 2024, 09:17 PM
technicalninja   The only thing that I've read that makes sense...   Jan 22 2024, 09:33 PM
Superhawk996   It is true that factory manual refers to it as a p...   Jan 22 2024, 10:48 PM
Superhawk996   I’ll post one last bit of information to further...   Jan 22 2024, 11:26 PM
technicalninja   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Jan 23 2024, 02:07 PM
Superhawk996   Post the data when you have it. :beer2:   Jan 23 2024, 04:13 PM
GregAmy   I got approval from the Wilwood guy to post his em...   Jan 23 2024, 04:36 PM
Freezin 914   I got approval from the Wilwood guy to post his e...   Jan 23 2024, 05:05 PM
Van B   I got approval from the Wilwood guy to post his e...   Jan 23 2024, 05:51 PM
technicalninja   At 2K for the entire set up including a functional...   Jan 23 2024, 05:44 PM
technicalninja   PSA on an issue I've seen multiple times with ...   Jan 26 2024, 11:30 AM


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