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mb911
post Jun 17 2024, 01:10 PM
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So was noticing I have less voltage while the car is running. I am use to seeing 13/14 volts as the pretty much normal. I have a fairly new marchel alternator and this year I am seeing 13v on the high side. Now I do have more electrical items, wide band o2, mega squirt, and active exhaust. Regulator going bad? Pictured in upper left. Hmm maybe I have them on the wrong pins? Might have messed that up?Attached Image
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post Jun 19 2024, 07:27 AM
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Not sure if this will help...

The late model Miatas have a generator and the voltage regulator is the ECU.

Megasquirts can be arranged to provide this. You end up setting a "target voltage" in parameters in the squirt.

Don't know if this is applicable to a Porsche generator but the hard work may have already been done.

If you want to try it look to the Mazda solution for directions/ideas.

"Late" Miatas mean NB1s and NB2s for me. So, the years I'm referring to are 99-05.

I think some of the NAs pre 99 also did this as one of the old school mods to make this work was installing a 90-93 alternator in the newer model.

After they figured out how to work it in the squirt no one puts the old alternator in anymore.
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post Jun 19 2024, 07:34 AM
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QUOTE(technicalninja @ Jun 19 2024, 05:27 AM) *

Not sure if this will help...

The late model Miatas have a generator and the voltage regulator is the ECU.

Megasquirts can be arranged to provide this. You end up setting a "target voltage" in parameters in the squirt.

Don't know if this is applicable to a Porsche generator but the hard work may have already been done.

If you want to try it look to the Mazda solution for directions/ideas.

Hmm that’s interesting and good to know. I am learning MS right now. It is an amazing ECU for the money
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QUOTE(mb911 @ Jun 19 2024, 08:34 AM) *

QUOTE(technicalninja @ Jun 19 2024, 05:27 AM) *

Not sure if this will help...

The late model Miatas have a generator and the voltage regulator is the ECU.

Megasquirts can be arranged to provide this. You end up setting a "target voltage" in parameters in the squirt.

Don't know if this is applicable to a Porsche generator but the hard work may have already been done.

If you want to try it look to the Mazda solution for directions/ideas.

Hmm that’s interesting and good to know. I am learning MS right now. It is an amazing ECU for the money



You can control an alternator with Megasquirt. I have it in process for my 4.0 engine. It can't be done with the later internally regulated alternator, but it can be with the external regulated alternator.

From the MS3Pro manual:

High speed feedback field control: A different method of closed loop alternator field control, similar to an
electronic version of a points type regulator. The MS3Pro monitors the battery voltage at 20 kHz and switches
the field off if it is above target voltage, and switches the field on if it is below target voltage. Often easier to
set up than closed loop field control, as there are no PID parameters to tune - you just need to select this
mode and set a target voltage.
If the ECU is controlling the field coil directly, we recommend running the output through a solid state relay or external
power transistor. Many alternator field coils may require 10 amps or more, which is more than the MS3Pro’s
recommended output current.


You can replace the voltage regulator with a solid state relay, and use the Megasquirt to control the relay. the DF wire should be connected to pin 87 of a Bosch solid state relay, and pin 30 connected to the battery positive post. Pin 85 would connect to the ECU and pin 86 would connect to ground (I think...It may have to connect to 12v. Consult the Megasquirt manual). The programming should be fairly simple.

You will have to make the generator light trigger from the ECU if you want to have it work.

If you do it, let us know how it works.

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mb911   Brain fart regulator question   Jun 17 2024, 01:10 PM
rgalla9146   All consumers off ? Belt too loose ? I can...   Jun 17 2024, 01:19 PM
mb911   All consumers off ? Belt too loose ? I can...   Jun 17 2024, 01:44 PM
mlindner   Ben, why are using a remote regulator....Arn't...   Jun 17 2024, 02:06 PM
mb911   Ben, why are using a remote regulator....Arn...   Jun 17 2024, 02:14 PM
BillC   Wait ... someone makes a brain fart regulator? :b...   Jun 17 2024, 03:05 PM
mb911   Wait ... someone makes a brain fart regulator? :...   Jun 17 2024, 03:20 PM
bkrantz   Wait ... someone makes a brain fart regulator? :...   Jun 17 2024, 07:35 PM
windforfun   Since your regulator isn't part of your altern...   Jun 17 2024, 03:31 PM
mb911   Since your regulator isn't part of your alter...   Jun 17 2024, 04:39 PM
Artfrombama   Subscribed (FWIW) What are the normal voltages? A...   Jun 17 2024, 03:40 PM
Superhawk996   Ben, I’m on vacation with no access to my tech...   Jun 17 2024, 05:02 PM
mb911   Ben, I’m on vacation with no access to my tec...   Jun 17 2024, 05:21 PM
windforfun   "All I'm getting from my alternator is 13...   Jun 17 2024, 05:09 PM
mb911   "All I'm getting from my alternator is 1...   Jun 17 2024, 05:22 PM
windforfun   Let me clarify here. If your voltmeter reads 120 ...   Jun 17 2024, 05:25 PM
Superhawk996   Assuming you’re running a 3 pin mechanical regul...   Jun 17 2024, 05:27 PM
windforfun   :agree: :agree: :agree: This guy knows his shi...   Jun 17 2024, 05:37 PM
worn   Battery healthy? In some cases the alternator jus...   Jun 17 2024, 07:12 PM
mb911   Battery healthy? In some cases the alternator ju...   Jun 17 2024, 07:19 PM
Superhawk996   I’m going to post one more which is Spoke’s si...   Jun 17 2024, 05:48 PM
mb911   I’m going to post one more which is Spoke’s s...   Jun 17 2024, 07:21 PM
windforfun   :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:   Jun 17 2024, 08:21 PM
Dave_Darling   Where are you taking the voltage reading from? If...   Jun 17 2024, 08:27 PM
mb911   Where are you taking the voltage reading from? I...   Jun 18 2024, 03:50 AM
rgalla9146   Ben your VR and Alt are both SEV Marshal...so shou...   Jun 17 2024, 09:23 PM
ClayPerrine   Ben, I would suggest running a "full field t...   Jun 18 2024, 02:44 AM
mb911   Ben, I would suggest running a "full field ...   Jun 19 2024, 07:10 AM
technicalninja   Ben, I would suggest running a "full field ...   Jun 18 2024, 06:36 AM
mb911   I want to quantify a few things. As rpm increases ...   Jun 18 2024, 07:17 AM
ClayPerrine   It’s like Texas up here not sure how you guys ...   Jun 18 2024, 08:16 AM
mb911   It’s like Texas up here not sure how you guys...   Jun 18 2024, 08:34 AM
Superhawk996   Just know that if you full field it - you will get...   Jun 18 2024, 08:47 AM
mb911   Just know that if you full field it - you will ge...   Jun 18 2024, 09:07 AM
mb911   So verified some basic connections and ohms tested...   Jun 18 2024, 03:39 PM
Superhawk996   dF is weird as I get different values depending ...   Jun 18 2024, 08:50 PM
mb911   dF is weird as I get different values depending...   Jun 19 2024, 04:21 AM
Spoke   dF is weird as I get different values depending on...   Jun 20 2024, 06:05 PM
mb911   dF is weird as I get different values depending o...   Jun 20 2024, 08:46 PM
mb911   Oh but the interesting thing is the battery light ...   Jun 18 2024, 04:42 PM
emerygt350   A hair off topic, and not to hijack, but why is th...   Jun 18 2024, 09:43 PM
Superhawk996   A hair off topic, and not to hijack, but why is t...   Jun 18 2024, 10:46 PM
emerygt350   A hair off topic, and not to hijack, but why is ...   Jun 19 2024, 07:49 PM
technicalninja   Not sure if this will help... The late model Miat...   Jun 19 2024, 07:27 AM
mb911   Not sure if this will help... The late model Mia...   Jun 19 2024, 07:34 AM
ClayPerrine   [quote name='technicalninja' post='3151786' date=...   Jun 20 2024, 05:15 AM
mb911   [quote name='technicalninja' post='3151786' date...   Jun 20 2024, 05:18 AM
ClayPerrine   [quote name='ClayPerrine' post='3151937' date='Ju...   Jun 20 2024, 01:28 PM
mb911   [quote name='ClayPerrine' post='3151937' date='J...   Jun 20 2024, 04:43 PM
Superhawk996   @emeryGT350 That doesn’t seem right. Let me ...   Jun 19 2024, 11:25 PM
technicalninja   I'm in agreement! I'd start with a st...   Jun 20 2024, 08:03 AM
JamesM   This wiring picture just broke my OCD   Jun 20 2024, 09:32 PM
mb911   This wiring picture just broke my OCD What...   Jun 21 2024, 04:48 AM
mb911   Well it was a combination of things. Ignition swit...   Jun 26 2024, 11:16 AM
SirAndy   Well it was a combination of things. Ignition swi...   Jun 26 2024, 12:48 PM
mb911   Well it was a combination of things. Ignition sw...   Jun 26 2024, 02:02 PM
Superhawk996   :trophy:   Jun 26 2024, 11:18 AM


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