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|  2.0 Head Gasket delete? | 
| torakki |  Jun 15 2024, 11:10 AM 
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| Member   Group: Members Posts: 66 Joined: 5-October 18 From: Nor Cal Member No.: 22,545 Region Association: Northern California  | I've read where it's a good idea to remove the head gaskets and re-assemble without them. Something about, they crush and cause an issue.  Is there anything else you need to do or change, in their place? Like a different head design? Thanks | 
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| Jake Raby |  Jul 4 2024, 01:30 PM 
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| Engine Surgeon      Group: Members Posts: 9,398 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States  | This isn't about choosing sides. I can't believe that in 2024 we are still having this debate. You know why we are? Two reasons: -Because the factory screwed up and installed the head gaskets in the first place -Because the gasket sets bought today still come with them, when they should not. Porsche didn't care about these engines, to them it was VW's job to design and support the 914-4 engine. Since VW used these engines up to 1983 in the Vanagon they had to make changes to keep more engines from failing, so they released the factory bulletin calling for omission of the gaskets. This did not occur until 1990, 14 years after the last 914 was built. Porsche should have followed suit, but they didn't care since the engine was from VW with just a few small changes to make it more suited for something other than a VW Bus. These gaskets fail today. matter of fact someone had a failure of a head gasket on a 914 in the past week and posted to the 914 Facebook group. He thought that he had an exhaust leak, but once he explained when and how the failure occurred, I went straight to the head gasket. A couple of other did as well- we were all correct. He confirmed this is a combustion leak. There's no circumstance where the stock gaskets should be utilized. Matter of fact I ended up with my 912E because of a failed head gasket back in 1999 and I still have it today. That engine went 160K miles in 8 years without those gaskets, and it is still alive today after being freshened up in 2010, but not touched since. I can share hundreds of stories about how head gaskets have caused issues, but not a single one about how omitting them has caused a problem. That said, the new casting heads come with this note from the manufacturer, yet people buy the gasket set, and use the gaskets anyway. Then they have a problem, and question why. None of this is new information, it shouldn't be debated anymore. Since VW themselves stated they should be omitted 34 years ago, it should not even be discussed in 2024 and onward. This is discussed in our "4th Dimension Type 4 Performance Group" on Facebook as well. It pops up every few weeks, and in the heat of summer these head gaskets give up more than any other time. Attached image(s)   | 
 torakki   2.0 Head Gasket delete?   Jun 15 2024, 11:10 AM
 torakki   2.0 Head Gasket delete?   Jun 15 2024, 11:10 AM 
  914Sixer   If you leave them out, lap your barrels in.   Jun 15 2024, 11:37 AM
 914Sixer   If you leave them out, lap your barrels in.   Jun 15 2024, 11:37 AM 
  rick 918-S   Just be sure the head mating surfaces are true and...   Jun 15 2024, 11:38 AM
 rick 918-S   Just be sure the head mating surfaces are true and...   Jun 15 2024, 11:38 AM 
  technicalninja   Check deck height!
The upper surface of the p...   Jun 15 2024, 12:18 PM
 technicalninja   Check deck height!
The upper surface of the p...   Jun 15 2024, 12:18 PM 
  ClayPerrine   Ok... I am going to climb up on my soapbox here......   Jun 15 2024, 02:16 PM
 ClayPerrine   Ok... I am going to climb up on my soapbox here......   Jun 15 2024, 02:16 PM 
  930cabman   I built my 2056 a couple years ago (still running ...   Jun 15 2024, 02:52 PM
 930cabman   I built my 2056 a couple years ago (still running ...   Jun 15 2024, 02:52 PM
 
  ClayPerrine   
 I do recall reading the factory recommended to e...   Jun 15 2024, 03:21 PM
 ClayPerrine   
 I do recall reading the factory recommended to e...   Jun 15 2024, 03:21 PM

 
  930cabman   
 I do recall reading the factory recommended to ...   Jun 15 2024, 04:15 PM
 930cabman   
 I do recall reading the factory recommended to ...   Jun 15 2024, 04:15 PM 
  rick 918-S   Since Clay responded I need to clarify my post. St...   Jun 15 2024, 03:11 PM
 rick 918-S   Since Clay responded I need to clarify my post. St...   Jun 15 2024, 03:11 PM 
  technicalninja   
Ok... I am going to climb up on my soapbox here.....   Jun 15 2024, 03:18 PM
 technicalninja   
Ok... I am going to climb up on my soapbox here.....   Jun 15 2024, 03:18 PM
 
  ClayPerrine   
P.S.  [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index...   Jun 15 2024, 03:25 PM
 ClayPerrine   
P.S.  [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index...   Jun 15 2024, 03:25 PM 
  emerygt350   I kept them out of my 2056 build.  I ended up only...   Jun 15 2024, 03:19 PM
 emerygt350   I kept them out of my 2056 build.  I ended up only...   Jun 15 2024, 03:19 PM 
  torakki   OK, way more responses than I thought and way more...   Jun 16 2024, 02:12 PM
 torakki   OK, way more responses than I thought and way more...   Jun 16 2024, 02:12 PM
 
  930cabman   
OK, way more responses than I thought and way mor...   Jun 16 2024, 05:27 PM
 930cabman   
OK, way more responses than I thought and way mor...   Jun 16 2024, 05:27 PM 
  emerygt350   Is it still injected? D-jet?  I would be looking t...   Jun 16 2024, 02:48 PM
 emerygt350   Is it still injected? D-jet?  I would be looking t...   Jun 16 2024, 02:48 PM 
  914werke   All it took for me was one engine tear down exposi...   Jun 16 2024, 03:49 PM
 914werke   All it took for me was one engine tear down exposi...   Jun 16 2024, 03:49 PM
 
  ClayPerrine   
 (& blessed by the manufacture) 
I still ...   Jun 16 2024, 08:41 PM
 ClayPerrine   
 (& blessed by the manufacture) 
I still ...   Jun 16 2024, 08:41 PM 
  r_towle   I don’t believe a leak at the head/cylinder woul...   Jun 16 2024, 04:36 PM
 r_towle   I don’t believe a leak at the head/cylinder woul...   Jun 16 2024, 04:36 PM 
  r_towle   This site may help if diagnosing djet
https://mem...   Jun 16 2024, 04:38 PM
 r_towle   This site may help if diagnosing djet
https://mem...   Jun 16 2024, 04:38 PM 
  emerygt350   I don't think the two are associated (I don...   Jun 16 2024, 05:47 PM
 emerygt350   I don't think the two are associated (I don...   Jun 16 2024, 05:47 PM 
  914Sixer   I used the gasket on my 2056.   Jun 16 2024, 07:08 PM
 914Sixer   I used the gasket on my 2056.   Jun 16 2024, 07:08 PM 
  emerygt350   
I've read where it's a good idea to remov...   Jun 17 2024, 05:36 AM
 emerygt350   
I've read where it's a good idea to remov...   Jun 17 2024, 05:36 AM
 
  ClayPerrine   
[quote name='torakki' post='3151083' date='Jun 15...   Jun 17 2024, 09:05 AM
 ClayPerrine   
[quote name='torakki' post='3151083' date='Jun 15...   Jun 17 2024, 09:05 AM 
  emerygt350   Dbl post   Jun 17 2024, 05:37 AM
 emerygt350   Dbl post   Jun 17 2024, 05:37 AM 
  914werke    [quote name='emerygt350' post='3151350' date='Jun...   Jun 17 2024, 11:04 AM
 914werke    [quote name='emerygt350' post='3151350' date='Jun...   Jun 17 2024, 11:04 AM 
  914werke      (& blessed by the manufacture)  I still wan...   Jun 17 2024, 11:12 AM
 914werke      (& blessed by the manufacture)  I still wan...   Jun 17 2024, 11:12 AM 
  ClayPerrine   Look. .  this is real simple.  Do what you want wi...   Jun 17 2024, 11:34 AM
 ClayPerrine   Look. .  this is real simple.  Do what you want wi...   Jun 17 2024, 11:34 AM 
  Nogoodwithusernames   Pardon my lack of knowledge in this area, but what...   Jun 17 2024, 11:52 AM
 Nogoodwithusernames   Pardon my lack of knowledge in this area, but what...   Jun 17 2024, 11:52 AM 
  mmichalik   :popcorn:   Jun 17 2024, 12:35 PM
 mmichalik   :popcorn:   Jun 17 2024, 12:35 PM 
  930cabman   Possible/probable the folks at Porsche never had a...   Jun 17 2024, 01:39 PM
 930cabman   Possible/probable the folks at Porsche never had a...   Jun 17 2024, 01:39 PM 
  thomasotten   Not wanting to enter a debate that clearly needs a...   Jun 17 2024, 06:39 PM
 thomasotten   Not wanting to enter a debate that clearly needs a...   Jun 17 2024, 06:39 PM 
  Al Meredith   I stayed up last night reading a bunch of articles...   Jun 18 2024, 10:57 AM
 Al Meredith   I stayed up last night reading a bunch of articles...   Jun 18 2024, 10:57 AM
 
  Jake Raby   
I stayed up last night reading a bunch of article...   Jun 30 2024, 10:08 AM
 Jake Raby   
I stayed up last night reading a bunch of article...   Jun 30 2024, 10:08 AM

 
  ClayPerrine   
I stayed up last night reading a bunch of articl...   Jun 30 2024, 05:15 PM
 ClayPerrine   
I stayed up last night reading a bunch of articl...   Jun 30 2024, 05:15 PM


 
  emerygt350   
[quote name='Jake Raby' post='3153973' date='Jun ...   Jun 30 2024, 05:43 PM
 emerygt350   
[quote name='Jake Raby' post='3153973' date='Jun ...   Jun 30 2024, 05:43 PM 
  914werke   BTW #5 should be performed on ALL T4 builds  (usin...   Jun 18 2024, 12:11 PM
 914werke   BTW #5 should be performed on ALL T4 builds  (usin...   Jun 18 2024, 12:11 PM
 
  930cabman   
BTW #5 should be performed on ALL T4 builds  (usi...   Jun 18 2024, 12:17 PM
 930cabman   
BTW #5 should be performed on ALL T4 builds  (usi...   Jun 18 2024, 12:17 PM 
  914werke   correct. Poor mans oil squirter!   Jun 18 2024, 12:18 PM
 914werke   correct. Poor mans oil squirter!   Jun 18 2024, 12:18 PM 
  rick 918-S   Question:
The update states improvements were mad...   Jul 2 2024, 06:54 AM
 rick 918-S   Question:
The update states improvements were mad...   Jul 2 2024, 06:54 AM
 
  Superhawk996   
Question:
The update states improvements were ma...   Jul 2 2024, 07:22 AM
 Superhawk996   
Question:
The update states improvements were ma...   Jul 2 2024, 07:22 AM

 
  rick 918-S   
Question:
The update states improvements were m...   Jul 2 2024, 09:05 PM
 rick 918-S   
Question:
The update states improvements were m...   Jul 2 2024, 09:05 PM


 
  Superhawk996   
Type IV rods can be notched, Cylinders can be h...   Jul 2 2024, 09:57 PM
 Superhawk996   
Type IV rods can be notched, Cylinders can be h...   Jul 2 2024, 09:57 PM 
  Nogoodwithusernames   Some various ponderings on this topic.
-So we hav...   Jul 2 2024, 09:29 AM
 Nogoodwithusernames   Some various ponderings on this topic.
-So we hav...   Jul 2 2024, 09:29 AM
 
  930cabman   
Some various ponderings on this topic.
-So we ha...   Jul 2 2024, 05:09 PM
 930cabman   
Some various ponderings on this topic.
-So we ha...   Jul 2 2024, 05:09 PM
 
  wonkipop   
Some various ponderings on this topic.
-So we ha...   Jul 2 2024, 05:28 PM
 wonkipop   
Some various ponderings on this topic.
-So we ha...   Jul 2 2024, 05:28 PM 
  930cabman   :agree: 
All of us need to thank Jake for his gen...   Jul 3 2024, 10:44 AM
 930cabman   :agree: 
All of us need to thank Jake for his gen...   Jul 3 2024, 10:44 AM|   | 
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