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> Driving around in my automobile, The 3.2 giving me about 32 mpg. Flipped HB
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post Sep 29 2024, 05:20 PM
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I been driving my 914 this summer. Closing in on 5 Kim so far this year. When I go, I get the highest octane that I can find; 91 or 92 with no EtOH where I live, trending towards more ethanol as we get west. So, I have been old guy writing down the numbers and have consistently hit 31 -32 mpg. This decreases if I leave my gas cap off just before a drive with the RRC 2024 folks.
The interstates let you drive at around 80 mph, and that adds up to a light throttle 3,000 rpm with my gears. The car must be pretty good with airflow.
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QUOTE(JamesM @ Oct 5 2024, 07:24 PM) *

Here is some really well presented data you might find helpful.

https://www.kitplanes.com/adding-direct-air...tio-monitoring/


Id suspect you are correct in that most if not all are running rich. Almost every car I have retuned for people has been rich, many VARY rich.

Rich is just the easy answer, far easier to get things to run without to many noticeable issues just by dumping a bunch of fuel in. Without vacuum advance you can usually be anywhere pretty much from 14.7 to 9.5:1 on the rich side of stoich and have an engine that runs without bucking or popping. On the lean side of 14.7 you can get to maybe 15.5 but you are already loosing power pretty quickly, so yeah, quick tuning by ear or feel its almost always going rich.


When you get near 16:1 you need to add advance to get a complete burn in time, but throw in the necessary advance and it cruises along just fine at 16 and leaner.

I don't generally talk about lean tuning because so many people don't have a good understanding of what they are doing and are more likely to create problems and/or damage something if they attempt it without a solid understanding of EFI, because as I said, rich is easy. Easier to explain to someone they can just setup their entire tune in the 12.1-13.5 range and everything just works VS explaining where in their map they can go lean, how lean they need to be, and how to setup the transitions from lean to rich in their fuel and timing maps to have a smooth experience and no hot spots etc.






That second link (kit planes) is EXCELLENT!!!
It gets pretty deep quickly but was damn interesting to read.
I've always wondered about widebands and 100LL!
One of the vehicles I service is the fuel truck for the Pecan Plantation airfield.
I can have 100LL delivered!

NTK sensors are the way to go.
The Japanese kick ass again!

@JamesM thank you for the link.
With what you know don't you absolutely hate it when you cannot adjust fuel/timing at will, with the stroke of a few keys?
Having to resort to mechanical advance with vacuum operated advance/retard just seems "Retarded" in my book.
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worn   Driving around in my automobile   Sep 29 2024, 05:20 PM
mepstein   Light weight really helps.   Sep 29 2024, 05:26 PM
technicalninja   If you're hitting those numbers via gallons/mi...   Sep 29 2024, 06:40 PM
Front yard mechanic   Isn’t that a Chuck Berry tune   Sep 29 2024, 08:22 PM
worn   Isn’t that a Chuck Berry tune I think that wou...   Oct 5 2024, 06:57 PM
930cabman   I been driving my 914 this summer. Closing in on...   Sep 30 2024, 04:52 AM
worn   I been driving my 914 this summer. Closing in o...   Sep 30 2024, 06:47 PM
brant   I been driving my 914 this summer. Closing in on...   Sep 30 2024, 06:51 PM
emerygt350   My 2056 gets about 20 in town, maybe 27 on a reall...   Oct 1 2024, 02:30 PM
scallyk9   I envy you. I have a 74 914 with an '87 Carrer...   Oct 1 2024, 03:00 PM
emerygt350   I envy you. I have a 74 914 with an '87 Carre...   Oct 1 2024, 03:32 PM
Geezer914   My 2056 gets around 24-25 mph at 3400-3500 rpm. A...   Oct 1 2024, 04:52 PM
930cabman   My 2056 gets close to 35 mpg cruising at 75 - 80 m...   Oct 1 2024, 05:06 PM
technicalninja   My 2056 gets around 24-25 mph at 3400-3500 rpm. ...   Oct 1 2024, 05:46 PM
Geezer914   My 2056 gets around 24-25 mph at 3400-3500 rpm. ...   Oct 2 2024, 04:21 PM
JamesM   14.7 is "perfect" combustion with exact...   Oct 3 2024, 01:36 AM
emerygt350   I try to keep my cruise AFR between 13 and 14, but...   Oct 1 2024, 07:12 PM
rick 918-S   HB gears in the 901 in the Alien. /i don't tra...   Oct 1 2024, 07:59 PM
mlindner   Worn, I just did the Waumandee Hill climb/time tri...   Oct 2 2024, 09:59 AM
worn   Worn, I just did the Waumandee Hill climb/time tr...   Oct 2 2024, 07:30 PM
Literati914   On the subject of AFR and mileage - I remember wat...   Oct 2 2024, 10:00 AM
brant   On the subject of AFR and mileage - I remember wa...   Oct 2 2024, 03:54 PM
emerygt350   I set that up on my car. Very easy with d-jet. A...   Oct 2 2024, 10:37 AM
Montreal914   @worn Can you provide a little more info? What t...   Oct 2 2024, 06:09 PM
ConeDodger   I’d guess I do about the same. 3.2 with stock DM...   Oct 3 2024, 08:42 AM
worn   I’d guess I do about the same. 3.2 with stock D...   Oct 5 2024, 06:59 PM
ConeDodger   I’d guess I do about the same. 3.2 with stock ...   Oct 6 2024, 07:49 AM
Root_Werks   I posted this a while ago: http://www.914world.co...   Oct 3 2024, 01:03 PM
worn   I posted this a while ago: http://www.914world.c...   Oct 5 2024, 06:51 PM
Geezer914   13.2-13.4 AFR.   Oct 3 2024, 01:19 PM
davehg   My 71 2.7 twin plug with webers might see 14 mpg i...   Oct 4 2024, 11:13 PM
brant   He has gearing on his side   Oct 5 2024, 09:58 AM
technicalninja   14.7 is "perfect" combustion with exac...   Oct 5 2024, 12:40 PM
JamesM   Here is some really well presented data you might ...   Oct 5 2024, 06:24 PM
technicalninja   Here is some really well presented data you might...   Oct 5 2024, 07:28 PM
JamesM   With what you know don't you absolutely hate ...   Oct 6 2024, 11:57 AM
emerygt350   With what you know don't you absolutely hate...   Oct 7 2024, 06:15 AM


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