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914incali
post Apr 2 2024, 11:07 AM
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Picked up a 76 out of texas that had been converted to single carb that just doesn't run very well. I decided to convert back to original FI, essentially everything is gone and I am working on understanding the system. I guess my first question is where does the fuel pump draw power from? there is a single black wire underneath the fuel tank that has no power to it but all the relays have been removed and Im waiting on those from pelican
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post Oct 9 2024, 08:06 PM
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@Ron914

here is what CARB would have on file for the 76.
its all the bits they are looking for listed with part numbers.

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can't see that part number of the item mr. b has posted.
but i am sure it will be there somewhere somehow.
mr. b would know.
they are noting some items enrichment sensor and pressure sensor.
whether these are the same thing not sure.
not really up on the old D jet or the complications of CARB emissions.

i do know that all the components are shared from 75 to 76 and do not change.
ie a 75 calif = a 76 calif.
and a 75 49 states = a 76 49 s.
but the big thing is that a 75 calif and 75 49 states are different beasts.
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post Oct 10 2024, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE(wonkipop @ Oct 9 2024, 09:06 PM) *

@Ron914

here is what CARB would have on file for the 76.
its all the bits they are looking for listed with part numbers.

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can't see that part number of the item mr. b has posted.
but i am sure it will be there somewhere somehow.
mr. b would know.
they are noting some items enrichment sensor and pressure sensor.
whether these are the same thing not sure.
not really up on the old D jet or the complications of CARB emissions.

i do know that all the components are shared from 75 to 76 and do not change.
ie a 75 calif = a 76 calif.
and a 75 49 states = a 76 49 s.
but the big thing is that a 75 calif and 75 49 states are different beasts.

Thank you bothT for your advice ,this was not the news I was hoping to hear . I somehow assumed since this was a 49 state car that has been continuously registered and smogged for 34 years in California that as long as I had all the original equipment installed and working it would pass a smog check as it has since 1985 . I have spent more than I thought on this car than I thought to get back on the road and I'm starting to think I should just try to sale in another state and look for another one .I am going to just take it in to a star station and see what happens and if its possible to get a wavier as a 49 state car . I wish I could ask the previous owner how he was getting it to pass a smog check for 34 years but that is not possible .
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post Oct 10 2024, 11:14 PM
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QUOTE(Ron914 @ Oct 10 2024, 03:58 PM) *

QUOTE(wonkipop @ Oct 9 2024, 09:06 PM) *

Thank you bothT for your advice ,this was not the news I was hoping to hear . I somehow assumed since this was a 49 state car that has been continuously registered and smogged for 34 years in California that as long as I had all the original equipment installed and working it would pass a smog check as it has since 1985 . I have spent more than I thought on this car than I thought to get back on the road and I'm starting to think I should just try to sale in another state and look for another one .I am going to just take it in to a star station and see what happens and if its possible to get a wavier as a 49 state car . I wish I could ask the previous owner how he was getting it to pass a smog check for 34 years but that is not possible .


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You don't need a waiver. I have brought a 49 state car into California before (not a 914) and at the time I was told that as long as it is labeled as a Federally compliant car and not labeled as a car originally sold in California it will not be disqualified for not having the California smog package installed on it. You still have to pass the smog check and meet all the emissions requirements. The car must have all of its original equipment on it (for example, it cannot have been converted to carbs). My advice is that if you are ready to try and get it smogged, go for it. Give it a good run on the freeway and make sure it is fully warmed up and not sitting before being tested. Obviously it must be in good tune. If you fail the test the first time just look at the numbers and tune it from there. For example, if the HC is high then lean out the mixture a bit until you get it right. You can play with the timing to affect the numbers, or change the heat range on the spark plugs, etc. I went through this with a '79 Super Beetle with L-Jet, and it took seven tries but I did get it to pass. I then sold it as quick as I could (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . Here's the link to that thread on the Samba if you want to see what I went through with that car.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic...03348a6294adfdb

Lots of information and advice on the Samba about how to pass the CA smog check, but it will all be about L-Jet. Nonetheless you might find it helpful.

I know there is at least one member in SoCal who has a '76 that they swear passes smog check every two years without problems. You might be able to do the same. But just remember you will have to smog it every two years and if you have trouble this time you can bet it won't get easier.

Here's the link to find out the smog history for your car. All you need is the license plate number. It won't tell you where it was tested, but it will tell you when it was tested and if it passed. I routinely check that when I'm looking at a used car. If it has a number of failed tests I keep looking.
https://www.bar.ca.gov/inspection



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QUOTE(fiacra @ Oct 11 2024, 12:14 AM) *

QUOTE(Ron914 @ Oct 10 2024, 03:58 PM) *

QUOTE(wonkipop @ Oct 9 2024, 09:06 PM) *

Thank you bothT for your advice ,this was not the news I was hoping to hear . I somehow assumed since this was a 49 state car that has been continuously registered and smogged for 34 years in California that as long as I had all the original equipment installed and working it would pass a smog check as it has since 1985 . I have spent more than I thought on this car than I thought to get back on the road and I'm starting to think I should just try to sale in another state and look for another one .I am going to just take it in to a star station and see what happens and if its possible to get a wavier as a 49 state car . I wish I could ask the previous owner how he was getting it to pass a smog check for 34 years but that is not possible .


@Ron914
You don't need a waiver. I have brought a 49 state car into California before (not a 914) and at the time I was told that as long as it is labeled as a Federally compliant car and not labeled as a car originally sold in California it will not be disqualified for not having the California smog package installed on it. You still have to pass the smog check and meet all the emissions requirements. The car must have all of its original equipment on it (for example, it cannot have been converted to carbs). My advice is that if you are ready to try and get it smogged, go for it. Give it a good run on the freeway and make sure it is fully warmed up and not sitting before being tested. Obviously it must be in good tune. If you fail the test the first time just look at the numbers and tune it from there. For example, if the HC is high then lean out the mixture a bit until you get it right. You can play with the timing to affect the numbers, or change the heat range on the spark plugs, etc. I went through this with a '79 Super Beetle with L-Jet, and it took seven tries but I did get it to pass. I then sold it as quick as I could (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . Here's the link to that thread on the Samba if you want to see what I went through with that car.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic...03348a6294adfdb

Lots of information and advice on the Samba about how to pass the CA smog check, but it will all be about L-Jet. Nonetheless you might find it helpful.

I know there is at least one member in SoCal who has a '76 that they swear passes smog check every two years without problems. You might be able to do the same. But just remember you will have to smog it every two years and if you have trouble this time you can bet it won't get easier.

Here's the link to find out the smog history for your car. All you need is the license plate number. It won't tell you where it was tested, but it will tell you when it was tested and if it passed. I routinely check that when I'm looking at a used car. If it has a number of failed tests I keep looking.
https://www.bar.ca.gov/inspection

Thank you so much for that link . I put in my license plate and it showed 14 tests since 1996 12 passes,1 fail and 1 gross polluter. also listed was the following information , star station -required ,refereee certification-no ,program enhanced . It sounds like I have a good chance it should pass .I have rebuilt the motor and other than the idle still a bit high at 1150 ( I will work on that ) it seems to run well.When I got the car the motor had already been torn down in preparation for a rebuild and I found that a few critical parts were missing or damaged and the pulley was missing from the air injection pump ( I located another one from a 914 world member that had a local garage sale ) .Since I have all the 49 state original equipment on the car I feel encouraged it just might pass . After looking at it in my garage for over two years I just might get to finally drive it legally .
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914incali   1976 fuel injection questions   Apr 2 2024, 11:07 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   power is from the relay board in the engine compar...   Apr 2 2024, 11:18 AM
914incali   I have a complete injection system and am waiting ...   Apr 2 2024, 11:34 AM
rjames   Black and red= power, brown=ground to chassis.   Apr 2 2024, 11:54 AM
914incali   Black and red= power, brown=ground to chassis. ...   Apr 2 2024, 12:12 PM
JeffBowlsby   Single brown ground cable for the fuel pump is se...   Apr 2 2024, 01:15 PM
914incali   yes its out of a 73 2.0, im not to worried about s...   Apr 2 2024, 01:31 PM
fiacra   yes its out of a 73 2.0, im not to worried about ...   Apr 2 2024, 10:02 PM
L-Jet914   yes its out of a 73 2.0, im not to worried about ...   Oct 10 2024, 11:33 PM
burton73   The problem is you are in California, and you need...   Apr 2 2024, 01:39 PM
Karl R   Also that is the wrong FI for your car. Your 1976...   Apr 3 2024, 07:04 PM
JeffBowlsby   Also that is the wrong FI for your car. Your 197...   Apr 3 2024, 07:23 PM
wonkipop   Also that is the wrong FI for your car. Your 19...   Apr 4 2024, 06:10 PM
Ron914   [quote name='JeffBowlsby' post='3137731' date='Ap...   Oct 9 2024, 12:42 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='JeffBowlsby' post='3137731' date='A...   Oct 9 2024, 04:15 PM
L-Jet914   [quote name='JeffBowlsby' post='3137731' date='A...   Oct 10 2024, 11:17 PM
r_towle   76 is djet. I happen to have one here if you need...   Apr 3 2024, 08:23 PM
Karl R   I guess I'm starting to slip. I thought they s...   Apr 4 2024, 04:39 PM
r_towle   I guess I'm starting to slip. I thought they ...   Apr 4 2024, 05:31 PM
JeffBowlsby   For smog purposes CA-only model 1975-76 914s also ...   Oct 9 2024, 05:15 PM
wonkipop   @Ron914 here is what CARB would have on file for...   Oct 9 2024, 08:06 PM
Ron914   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Oct 10 2024, 04:58 PM
wonkipop   well i can only speak as an australian down here...   Oct 10 2024, 06:57 PM
fiacra   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3172034' date='Oct 9...   Oct 10 2024, 11:14 PM
Ron914   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3172034' date='Oct ...   Oct 10 2024, 11:47 PM
L-Jet914   [quote name='fiacra' post='3172200' date='Oct 11 ...   Oct 10 2024, 11:57 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='fiacra' post='3172200' date='Oct 11 ...   Oct 11 2024, 12:41 AM
JeffBowlsby   Did paperwork from the previous smog tests come wi...   Oct 10 2024, 05:28 PM
wonkipop   on the question of how the previous owner got the ...   Oct 10 2024, 07:07 PM
wonkipop   @JeffBowlsby you always throw up interesting inf...   Oct 10 2024, 07:22 PM
JeffBowlsby   Yes! It’s in the Service &Training manu...   Oct 10 2024, 07:48 PM
JeffBowlsby   I have at least one 75 CA 2.0L with the SL box on ...   Oct 10 2024, 07:58 PM
wonkipop   I have at least one 75 CA 2.0L with the SL box on...   Oct 10 2024, 09:44 PM
JeffBowlsby   [quote name='JeffBowlsby' post='3172179' date='Oc...   Oct 10 2024, 10:15 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='JeffBowlsby' post='3172179' date='O...   Oct 11 2024, 12:38 AM
Ron914   When I bought the car I had to go to the DMV and p...   Oct 10 2024, 10:47 PM
L-Jet914   If you have a plate number you can see the pass/fa...   Oct 10 2024, 11:03 PM
L-Jet914   Everything required for a California certified 197...   Oct 10 2024, 11:28 PM
wonkipop   Everything required for a California certified 19...   Oct 11 2024, 12:39 AM
930cabman   Glad I don't live in Cali   Oct 11 2024, 05:04 AM
fiacra   Glad I don't live in Cali It ain't bad ...   Oct 11 2024, 03:29 PM
emerygt350   Absolutely agree. Drives me crazy living in NY tr...   Oct 11 2024, 06:35 PM
davep   So Ron, what is the current situation?   Jan 5 2025, 03:30 PM
fiacra   @914incali [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2...   Jan 5 2025, 03:57 PM
Ron914   Thanks for checking in . I am still working on my ...   Jan 6 2025, 12:28 PM
Ron914   I believe it was @ emerygt350 that asked @slapsho...   Jan 6 2025, 12:35 PM
JeffBowlsby   Post a photo of that oblong hole so we clearly und...   Jan 6 2025, 12:48 PM
rjames   Post a photo of that oblong hole so we clearly un...   Jan 6 2025, 02:02 PM
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Ron914   I would really like to post a photo or video but l...   Jan 6 2025, 04:44 PM
burton73   I would really like to post a photo or video but ...   Jan 6 2025, 06:19 PM
Ron914   [quote name='Ron914' post='3185256' date='Jan 6 2...   Jan 6 2025, 06:37 PM
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technicalninja   Thanks Bob!   Jan 7 2025, 09:20 AM
rjames   The butterfly should have two screws that hold t...   Jan 7 2025, 11:05 AM
emerygt350   The butterfly should have two screws that hold ...   Jan 7 2025, 12:47 PM
Ron914   The butterfly should have two screws that hold...   Jan 7 2025, 02:34 PM
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emerygt350   Great news. What a nice looking car! Just ou...   Jan 11 2025, 07:18 PM
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fiacra   Good luck on Monday. Fingers crossed. If it does...   Jan 11 2025, 07:41 PM
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Ron914   Is your vacuum retard can on the distributor hook...   Jan 12 2025, 09:23 AM
Ron914   Lets try the photo again   Jan 12 2025, 09:39 AM
JeffBowlsby   Hose 10 is not connected to anything on a 1974-76 ...   Jan 12 2025, 09:53 AM
Ron914   Hose 10 is not connected to anything on a 1974-76...   Jan 12 2025, 10:22 AM
Ron914   I don't think that this is the source of my va...   Jan 12 2025, 10:23 AM
Ron914   should the #10 hose be plugged or left open to air...   Jan 12 2025, 10:24 AM
Ron914   should the #10 hose be plugged or left open to ai...   Jan 12 2025, 10:32 AM
rjames   [quote name='Ron914' post='3186354' date='Jan 12 ...   Jan 12 2025, 12:54 PM
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emerygt350   We should walk you through all the vacuum hoses. ...   Jan 12 2025, 02:02 PM
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