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| 914incali |
Apr 2 2024, 11:07 AM
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Newbie ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 16-February 24 From: bakersfield Member No.: 27,944 Region Association: None
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Picked up a 76 out of texas that had been converted to single carb that just doesn't run very well. I decided to convert back to original FI, essentially everything is gone and I am working on understanding the system. I guess my first question is where does the fuel pump draw power from? there is a single black wire underneath the fuel tank that has no power to it but all the relays have been removed and Im waiting on those from pelican
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| rjames |
Jan 7 2025, 11:05 AM
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I'm made of metal ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,402 Joined: 24-July 05 From: Shoreline, WA Member No.: 4,467 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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QUOTE My butterfly plate has a hole in it with a screw and nut that looks original because the bottom threads of the screw are peened to prevent removal . I'm not really sure about that as Ive seen some with and with out holes but never the screw in the hole . The butterfly should have two screws that hold the throttle body to the lever. Most TBs have an additional hole to allow some air in. There are some butterflies that don't have the additional hole. It sounds like someone blocked the hole on yours using a screw and a nut to compensate for a high idle (vacuum leak). ![]() |
| emerygt350 |
Jan 7 2025, 12:47 PM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,364 Joined: 20-July 21 From: Upstate, NY Member No.: 25,740 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE My butterfly plate has a hole in it with a screw and nut that looks original because the bottom threads of the screw are peened to prevent removal . I'm not really sure about that as Ive seen some with and with out holes but never the screw in the hole . The butterfly should have two screws that hold the throttle body to the lever. Most TBs have an additional hole to allow some air in. There are some butterflies that don't have the additional hole. It sounds like someone blocked the hole on yours using a screw and a nut to compensate for a high idle (vacuum leak). ![]() I guess it could be read that way. Is the hole open or is the screw in the hole? I thought he was describing the screws that hold the butterfly into the rod. If the tape brings the idle down and that is what they are looking for, I would just go with it and then keep poking. I don't know whether beefing up that screw or the TB itself is the right thing to do. I am not sure there is much you can do to fix the leaking passage. Maybe beef up the idle screw with some jbweld? |
| Ron914 |
Jan 7 2025, 02:34 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 442 Joined: 19-April 22 From: Huntington Beach,Ca Member No.: 26,487 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE My butterfly plate has a hole in it with a screw and nut that looks original because the bottom threads of the screw are peened to prevent removal . I'm not really sure about that as Ive seen some with and with out holes but never the screw in the hole . The butterfly should have two screws that hold the throttle body to the lever. Most TBs have an additional hole to allow some air in. There are some butterflies that don't have the additional hole. It sounds like someone blocked the hole on yours using a screw and a nut to compensate for a high idle (vacuum leak). ![]() I guess it could be read that way. Is the hole open or is the screw in the hole? I thought he was describing the screws that hold the butterfly into the rod. If the tape brings the idle down and that is what they are looking for, I would just go with it and then keep poking. I don't know whether beefing up that screw or the TB itself is the right thing to do. I am not sure there is much you can do to fix the leaking passage. Maybe beef up the idle screw with some jbweld? I am still working on the photo posts (that probably won't happen until the weekend when I get a chance to figure it out ) .My butterfly plate hole has the screw/nut I mentioned plugging the hole. Should I remove this screw and nut ? Someone went to some trouble to peen the bottom of the screw so the nut would not vibrate off and go into the engine . Last time I had the TB off I shinned my flashlight from the bottom with the butterfly closed and a fair amount of light shines through. I've wondered if maybe I just need to look for a better condition TB but I still want to try the electrical tape of the idle adjustment screw just to see if it makes any difference . It's quite windy today in So Cal so I probably won't pull the car out of the garage today . As soon as I do I will update my results. |
914incali 1976 fuel injection questions Apr 2 2024, 11:07 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com power is from the relay board in the engine compar... Apr 2 2024, 11:18 AM
914incali I have a complete injection system and am waiting ... Apr 2 2024, 11:34 AM
rjames Black and red= power, brown=ground to chassis.
Apr 2 2024, 11:54 AM
914incali
Black and red= power, brown=ground to chassis.
... Apr 2 2024, 12:12 PM
JeffBowlsby Single brown ground cable for the fuel pump is se... Apr 2 2024, 01:15 PM
914incali yes its out of a 73 2.0, im not to worried about s... Apr 2 2024, 01:31 PM
fiacra
yes its out of a 73 2.0, im not to worried about ... Apr 2 2024, 10:02 PM
L-Jet914
yes its out of a 73 2.0, im not to worried about ... Oct 10 2024, 11:33 PM
burton73 The problem is you are in California, and you need... Apr 2 2024, 01:39 PM
Karl R Also that is the wrong FI for your car. Your 1976... Apr 3 2024, 07:04 PM
JeffBowlsby
Also that is the wrong FI for your car. Your 197... Apr 3 2024, 07:23 PM
wonkipop
Also that is the wrong FI for your car. Your 19... Apr 4 2024, 06:10 PM
Ron914
[quote name='JeffBowlsby' post='3137731' date='Ap... Oct 9 2024, 12:42 PM
wonkipop
[quote name='JeffBowlsby' post='3137731' date='A... Oct 9 2024, 04:15 PM
L-Jet914
[quote name='JeffBowlsby' post='3137731' date='A... Oct 10 2024, 11:17 PM
r_towle 76 is djet.
I happen to have one here if you need... Apr 3 2024, 08:23 PM
Karl R I guess I'm starting to slip. I thought they s... Apr 4 2024, 04:39 PM
r_towle
I guess I'm starting to slip. I thought they ... Apr 4 2024, 05:31 PM
JeffBowlsby For smog purposes CA-only model 1975-76 914s also ... Oct 9 2024, 05:15 PM
wonkipop @Ron914
here is what CARB would have on file for... Oct 9 2024, 08:06 PM
Ron914
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s... Oct 10 2024, 04:58 PM
wonkipop
well i can only speak as an australian down here... Oct 10 2024, 06:57 PM
fiacra
[quote name='wonkipop' post='3172034' date='Oct 9... Oct 10 2024, 11:14 PM
Ron914
[quote name='wonkipop' post='3172034' date='Oct ... Oct 10 2024, 11:47 PM
L-Jet914
[quote name='fiacra' post='3172200' date='Oct 11 ... Oct 10 2024, 11:57 PM
wonkipop
[quote name='fiacra' post='3172200' date='Oct 11 ... Oct 11 2024, 12:41 AM
JeffBowlsby Did paperwork from the previous smog tests come wi... Oct 10 2024, 05:28 PM
wonkipop on the question of how the previous owner got the ... Oct 10 2024, 07:07 PM
wonkipop @JeffBowlsby
you always throw up interesting inf... Oct 10 2024, 07:22 PM
JeffBowlsby Yes! It’s in the Service &Training manu... Oct 10 2024, 07:48 PM
JeffBowlsby I have at least one 75 CA 2.0L with the SL box on ... Oct 10 2024, 07:58 PM
wonkipop
I have at least one 75 CA 2.0L with the SL box on... Oct 10 2024, 09:44 PM
JeffBowlsby
[quote name='JeffBowlsby' post='3172179' date='Oc... Oct 10 2024, 10:15 PM
wonkipop
[quote name='JeffBowlsby' post='3172179' date='O... Oct 11 2024, 12:38 AM
Ron914 When I bought the car I had to go to the DMV and p... Oct 10 2024, 10:47 PM
L-Jet914 If you have a plate number you can see the pass/fa... Oct 10 2024, 11:03 PM
L-Jet914 Everything required for a California certified 197... Oct 10 2024, 11:28 PM
wonkipop
Everything required for a California certified 19... Oct 11 2024, 12:39 AM
930cabman Glad I don't live in Cali Oct 11 2024, 05:04 AM
fiacra
Glad I don't live in Cali
It ain't bad ... Oct 11 2024, 03:29 PM
emerygt350 Absolutely agree. Drives me crazy living in NY tr... Oct 11 2024, 06:35 PM
davep So Ron, what is the current situation? Jan 5 2025, 03:30 PM
fiacra @914incali
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2... Jan 5 2025, 03:57 PM
Ron914 Thanks for checking in . I am still working on my ... Jan 6 2025, 12:28 PM
Ron914 I believe it was @ emerygt350 that asked @slapsho... Jan 6 2025, 12:35 PM
JeffBowlsby Post a photo of that oblong hole so we clearly und... Jan 6 2025, 12:48 PM
rjames
Post a photo of that oblong hole so we clearly un... Jan 6 2025, 02:02 PM
emerygt350 If the idle adjust screw no longer closes off the ... Jan 6 2025, 02:54 PM
Ron914 I would really like to post a photo or video but l... Jan 6 2025, 04:44 PM
burton73
I would really like to post a photo or video but ... Jan 6 2025, 06:19 PM
Ron914
[quote name='Ron914' post='3185256' date='Jan 6 2... Jan 6 2025, 06:37 PM
burton73 Sending this to Rick as well.
You are very close... Jan 6 2025, 09:28 PM
emerygt350 You are all good with that butterfly. That is how... Jan 6 2025, 06:08 PM
Ron914
You are all good with that butterfly. That is ho... Jan 6 2025, 07:04 PM
technicalninja Thanks Bob! Jan 7 2025, 09:20 AM
emerygt350 At the current state I would leave it in the hole,... Jan 7 2025, 07:56 PM
Ron914 Hello ,
I covered the inside idle screw air intake... Jan 11 2025, 06:12 PM
emerygt350 Great news. What a nice looking car! Just ou... Jan 11 2025, 07:18 PM
Ron914
Great news. What a nice looking car! Just o... Jan 11 2025, 08:00 PM
fiacra Good luck on Monday. Fingers crossed. If it does... Jan 11 2025, 07:41 PM
JeffBowlsby You might also try a smoke pen/pencil. Lower inve... Jan 11 2025, 08:48 PM
emerygt350 Is your vacuum retard can on the distributor hooke... Jan 11 2025, 09:24 PM
Ron914
Is your vacuum retard can on the distributor hook... Jan 12 2025, 09:23 AM
Ron914 Lets try the photo again Jan 12 2025, 09:39 AM
JeffBowlsby Hose 10 is not connected to anything on a 1974-76 ... Jan 12 2025, 09:53 AM
Ron914
Hose 10 is not connected to anything on a 1974-76... Jan 12 2025, 10:22 AM
Ron914 I don't think that this is the source of my va... Jan 12 2025, 10:23 AM
Ron914 should the #10 hose be plugged or left open to air... Jan 12 2025, 10:24 AM
Ron914
should the #10 hose be plugged or left open to ai... Jan 12 2025, 10:32 AM
rjames
[quote name='Ron914' post='3186354' date='Jan 12 ... Jan 12 2025, 12:54 PM
Ron914 When I first assembled my motor I followed this di... Jan 12 2025, 10:40 AM
Ron914
When I first assembled my motor I followed this d... Jan 12 2025, 10:56 AM
emerygt350 We should walk you through all the vacuum hoses. ... Jan 12 2025, 02:02 PM
emerygt350
We should walk you through all the vacuum hoses. ... Jan 12 2025, 02:05 PM
Ron914
We should walk you through all the vacuum hoses.... Jan 12 2025, 02:58 PM
rjames
‘75/76 2.0 cars did not have the PCV valve. Jan 12 2025, 02:37 PM
emerygt350
‘75/76 2.0 cars did not have the PCV valve.
... Jan 12 2025, 03:50 PM
emerygt350 And... That decel keeps you from blowing out your ... Jan 12 2025, 03:54 PM
JeffBowlsby Good point that this is a ‘76 car, the 75-76 car... Jan 12 2025, 07:32 PM
Ron914 Hi Jeff ,
Yes ,as I mentioned I have a federally c... Jan 12 2025, 08:04 PM
emerygt350 They were always trying different things to handle... Jan 12 2025, 08:31 PM
Ron914
They were always trying different things to handl... Jan 12 2025, 08:40 PM
emerygt350 Anyone got a good 76 vacuum map? I am always nerv... Jan 12 2025, 08:33 PM
Ron914 The exciting thing for me is we believe this is a ... Jan 12 2025, 08:54 PM
Ron914 Hello @914incali
I also have a 76 914 I am tryin... Jan 12 2025, 09:40 PM
Ron914 @emerygt350
I think this will be my last post in ... Jan 14 2025, 09:35 AM
emerygt350 Yes, probably a good idea. But you know now that ... Jan 14 2025, 03:36 PM
Ron914
Yes, probably a good idea. But you know now that... Jan 14 2025, 04:18 PM
emerygt350 Your car doesn't have an advance port, that wo... Jan 14 2025, 04:30 PM
emerygt350 If you have your advance hose hooked to any kind o... Jan 14 2025, 04:32 PM
Ron914
If you have your advance hose hooked to any kind ... Jan 14 2025, 08:24 PM
emerygt350 That is good news. Progress! I will wait for... Jan 15 2025, 06:25 AM
brant Please don’t
“Time by ear”
Remark the timi... Jan 15 2025, 10:53 AM
Ron914
Please don’t
“Time by ear”
Remark the tim... Jan 15 2025, 11:28 AM
914werke I started updating this one based on an unmolested... Jan 15 2025, 11:17 AM
Ron914
I started updating this one based on an unmoleste... Jan 15 2025, 12:30 PM![]() ![]() |
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