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| Blue Lightning |
Mar 16 2025, 06:20 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 66 Joined: 7-December 23 From: Atlanta, GA, USA Member No.: 27,780 Region Association: South East States |
Car: 1976 2.0, FI
Background: bought in November last year. I am least the 4th owner. Drove a couple times, then plugged up the fuel filter (? no fuel pressure when the fuel pump was running, but see note below on replacing the fuel pressure regulator), so spent a couple months with the gas tank out and replacing the fuel lines, pump (and yes, filter). Read a lot in the meantime, so corrected vacuum line issues (vac advance was connected, replaced all the lines that didn't already look new, added hose clamps). But where the car started and ran well last year, I can't get it to happily start any longer. While cranking, it will skip and catch. After a few minutes of cranking (and skipping and catching) it will finally start and run fine for a few minutes but only idle around 1000 rpm (until the AAR warms up the rest of the way?), then dies. Starter fluid has no effect, so guessing it is running rich? Pulling the air hose off the cold start injector while running causes the idle to increase to maybe 1400 rpm (but with hunting, as you might expect with that big leak). There are a lot of threads on what to look for when the engine is running lean, but few on it running rich. Some things I have checked: - AAR works (https://youtu.be/YmO1ZCLDB7g) - Compression is good (130-140 psi cold) - Replaced the MPS last weekend with new one from autoatlanta, after finding the previous one would not hold a vacuum - Replaced fuel pressure regulator after finding it bad (yes, I've been told these never go bad, but this one would not hold any pressure). Fuel pressure set to ~29 psi. - Timing is good (~27 degrees at 3500 rpm with vac retard disconnected) - Vac retard mechanism is working (checked with vacuum pump) - Spark on all 4 cylinders (checked by timing light) - Smoke tested the intake...only leaks now are the bearings on the throttle plate - CHT reads 2k at cold, ~250ohms at warm/hot (at splice connector) - Plugs look okay (see attached) - Fuel injectors are all spitting fuel (checked into bottles...all about the same) and have new seals - idle adjust screw has some control, but I cannot get the idle above 1000 rpm with it - valves adjusted back in December (my first time, but the car runs so I assume I didn't do too bad of a job?) I'm at a loss of what to try next. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) I'd like to consider myself fairly good with cars (we have a 1966 Mustang, as well as a Mazda RX-8 that I have kept running for >20 years), but I'm about ready to throw in the towel and have the 914 towed to someone smarter than me! Thoughts? Attached thumbnail(s) |
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| Superhawk996 |
Mar 18 2025, 07:49 AM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,471 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch
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Got it - agree; set aside cooling issues for the moment as not likely related to the cold start issue.
What I’m trying to get a sense of is whether there is some underlying fast overheating (ie mouse house in the tin) that would quickly confuse the Fuel Injection by maybe starting too rich but very quickly going too lean to re-start if the 3/4 side head when the CHT is overheating. |
Blue Lightning Cold Start Issue 914-4 Mar 16 2025, 06:20 PM
Lockwodo This resource from the 914 Tech Notebook is a real... Mar 17 2025, 09:10 AM
emerygt350 If they sold you an MPS then hopefully he can help... Mar 17 2025, 09:51 AM
Blue Lightning
This resource from the 914 Tech Notebook is a rea... Mar 17 2025, 10:54 AM
Blue Lightning
Original distributor?
Yes, with a Pertronix (the... Mar 17 2025, 11:03 AM
emerygt350 Yeah, that's a tough decision.
A leak will no... Mar 17 2025, 01:07 PM
Superhawk996 Pulling the air hose off the cold start injector... Mar 17 2025, 02:30 PM
emerygt350 I haven't looked in a while but doesn't th... Mar 17 2025, 02:52 PM
Blue Lightning
Pulling the air hose off the cold start injecto... Mar 17 2025, 06:08 PM
Blue Lightning
Yeah, that's a tough decision.
A leak will n... Mar 17 2025, 06:17 PM
Superhawk996
It ran "fine" (as in it would start an... Mar 17 2025, 07:04 PM
Superhawk996 In photo of the plug - why does the compression w... Mar 17 2025, 07:09 PM
emerygt350 What hawk said. Mar 18 2025, 05:30 AM
Blue Lightning
Has your oil temp gauge previously worked properl... Mar 18 2025, 07:12 AM
Superhawk996 Would be useful to see condition of all 4 spark pl... Mar 18 2025, 07:51 AM
Blue Lightning
Got it - agree; set aside cooling issues for the ... Mar 18 2025, 11:19 AM
Superhawk996 How do you know you didn’t buy it with a mouse h... Mar 18 2025, 11:58 AM
L-Jet914 If you plan on removing the CHT sensor be sure to ... Mar 18 2025, 12:11 PM
Blue Lightning
In photo of the plug - why does the compression ... Mar 18 2025, 04:16 PM
Superhawk996 Good - proper starting fluid.
So about the onl... Mar 18 2025, 07:06 PM
Blue Lightning
So about the only reason that stuff won’t burn ... Mar 19 2025, 11:01 AM
Superhawk996 With all due respect, you’re missing the point a... Mar 19 2025, 11:23 AM
T.Rick6 :wttc:
Welcome to the madness; once sorted these... Mar 19 2025, 12:08 PM
Blue Lightning
With all due respect, you’re missing the point ... Mar 20 2025, 10:50 AM
Blue Lightning
:wttc:
Welcome to the madness; once sorted thes... Mar 20 2025, 11:13 AM
emerygt350 Although dropping it is not at all bad, I don... Mar 20 2025, 12:14 PM
Blue Lightning
Although dropping it is not at all bad, I don... Mar 20 2025, 07:29 PM
Blue Lightning Went through the ECU connector checks:
- 1-13: 36... Mar 22 2025, 10:53 AM
Blue Lightning Spark plug pics. Have not tried to start the car ... Mar 22 2025, 11:37 AM
Blue Lightning Checked actual spark on all 4 plugs. Mar 22 2025, 11:52 AM
Superhawk996 CHT 3k at ambient of around 60F is fine . 76’ 2... Mar 22 2025, 12:08 PM
Superhawk996 Two questions
1) what did you consider to be grou... Mar 22 2025, 12:37 PM
Blue Lightning
Two questions
1) what did you consider to be gro... Mar 22 2025, 02:05 PM
Superhawk996
I think that the headlight bulb illuminates in t... Mar 22 2025, 04:51 PM
Blue Lightning Pulled the CHT from the engine. Measured:
2500 o... Mar 22 2025, 02:04 PM
emerygt350 I ran an extra ground from my fan case to the nega... Mar 22 2025, 02:32 PM
Blue Lightning
I ran an extra ground from my fan case to the neg... Mar 23 2025, 05:04 AM
Superhawk996 Overall I don’t see any glaring red flags in you... Mar 22 2025, 05:00 PM
Blue Lightning
Overall I don’t see any glaring red flags in yo... Mar 23 2025, 05:23 AM
Superhawk996 Reasonable plan. Mar 23 2025, 10:13 AM
Blue Lightning Still no bueno. Added a jumper cable between the ... Mar 23 2025, 12:49 PM
ctc911ctc I watched the video:
1. Once it starts it runs go... Mar 24 2025, 11:13 AM
Blue Lightning
I watched the video:
1. Once it starts it runs g... Mar 24 2025, 11:20 AM
Superhawk996 No immediate answer but let’s work through this ... Mar 23 2025, 01:12 PM
Blue Lightning
No immediate answer but let’s work through this... Mar 23 2025, 03:49 PM

Superhawk996
The MPS is the "Euro" version. I had ... Mar 23 2025, 07:25 PM

Blue Lightning
[quote name='Blue Lightning' post='3197577' date=... Mar 24 2025, 07:29 AM

Blue Lightning
The parts in the engine current are:
Engine: GC ... Mar 24 2025, 04:36 PM

Superhawk996
Confirmed ECU is correct for the car
:trophy: w... Mar 24 2025, 06:41 PM
Blue Lightning
Where is the insane high pitch whistle coming fro... Mar 23 2025, 04:27 PM
emerygt350 Very interesting.
Did you ever try a different c... Mar 23 2025, 01:40 PM
Blue Lightning
Very interesting.
Did you ever try a different ... Mar 23 2025, 04:23 PM
emerygt350 If it isn't pulling enough vacuum it could be ... Mar 23 2025, 04:08 PM
sholman5 Silly question. Have you checked to see what posit... Mar 23 2025, 04:36 PM
Blue Lightning
Silly question. Have you checked to see what posi... Mar 23 2025, 04:41 PM
emerygt350 The video is set as private. Mar 23 2025, 04:44 PM
Blue Lightning
The video is set as private.
Oops, sorry, didn... Mar 23 2025, 07:21 PM
emerygt350 I can only think valves or something worse. Was t... Mar 23 2025, 04:45 PM
emerygt350 That sound isn't outrageous, that's what i... Mar 23 2025, 04:47 PM
sholman5
For quite awhile I had trouble with the idle and... Mar 23 2025, 05:33 PM
Blue Lightning
Come to find out it was a 275 ohms resistor, whic... Mar 23 2025, 07:23 PM
Superhawk996
Come to find out it was a 275 ohms resistor, whi... Mar 23 2025, 10:04 PM
emerygt350 I actually have an extra known good 73 ECU you cou... Mar 24 2025, 05:38 AM
emerygt350 Here is a video of mine at cold start this morning... Mar 24 2025, 06:33 AM
Blue Lightning
Here is a video of mine at cold start this mornin... Mar 25 2025, 06:26 AM
emerygt350
Here is a video of mine at cold start this morni... Mar 25 2025, 06:43 AM
Blue Lightning
Did you check the compression after the valve adj... Mar 25 2025, 11:29 AM

emerygt350
Did you check the compression after the valve ad... Mar 25 2025, 12:11 PM

Blue Lightning
And you are certain no one upgraded your car to ... Mar 26 2025, 11:10 AM
Blue Lightning
[quote name='Blue Lightning' post='3197859' date=... Mar 29 2025, 03:01 PM
emerygt350
[quote name='Blue Lightning' post='3197859' date... Mar 29 2025, 03:32 PM
Superhawk996 Don’t sweat the distributor too much - the diffe... Mar 24 2025, 07:46 AM
emerygt350
Don’t sweat the distributor too much - the diff... Mar 24 2025, 08:37 AM
emerygt350 You should check the voltage to the coil while cra... Mar 24 2025, 01:36 PM
emerygt350 I think everything can be back burnered until you ... Mar 24 2025, 04:45 PM
Blue Lightning
I think everything can be back burnered until you... Mar 25 2025, 06:12 AM
emerygt350 Here is a nice clear guide on what a vacuum gauge ... Mar 25 2025, 07:02 AM
Ron914
Here is a nice clear guide on what a vacuum gauge... Mar 25 2025, 10:16 AM
emerygt350 Ok, just one of those assumptions hawk keeps going... Mar 26 2025, 12:15 PM
Ron914 I like you believe I have an original survivor car... Mar 26 2025, 01:17 PM
emerygt350 At least they weren't as drunk as they were wh... Mar 26 2025, 05:05 PM
Ron914 Interesting ,
As I grew up I heard you didn't ... Mar 26 2025, 11:27 PM
Ron914 @Blue Lightning
Here are a pictures of again what... Mar 27 2025, 08:40 AM
Blue Lightning
[b]
Thanks, but I think that second one is the ... Mar 29 2025, 12:01 PM
Blue Lightning So took the advice of checking the valve adjustmen... Mar 29 2025, 12:10 PM
Ron914
So took the advice of checking the valve adjustme... Mar 29 2025, 04:16 PM
emerygt350
[quote name='Blue Lightning' post='3198589' date=... Mar 29 2025, 05:03 PM
Blue Lightning
Great job and this is very interesting to me ,as ... Mar 30 2025, 10:07 AM
Superhawk996
I was an overachiever and adjusted mine to more t... Mar 30 2025, 11:29 AM
Ron914
I was an overachiever and adjusted mine to more ... Mar 30 2025, 11:55 AM
Superhawk996 :trophy:
Now double back and verify ignition timi... Mar 29 2025, 12:14 PM
ctc911ctc
:trophy:
Now double back and verify ignition tim... Mar 29 2025, 12:22 PM
Blue Lightning
Most importantly, get the dwell as close to book ... Mar 29 2025, 02:51 PM
930cabman Victory at last
satisfaction Mar 29 2025, 12:23 PM
emerygt350 Excellent news! Mar 29 2025, 12:47 PM
Blue Lightning Went for a drive, maybe 30 minutes around the neig... Mar 30 2025, 01:32 PM
emerygt350 That oil seemed to heat up pretty quick. Makes me... Mar 30 2025, 03:32 PM
Blue Lightning
That oil seemed to heat up pretty quick. Makes m... Mar 30 2025, 04:38 PM
emerygt350 Return spring is good right? Throttle moves easil... Mar 30 2025, 05:03 PM![]() ![]() |
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