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| JeffBowlsby |
Apr 16 2025, 03:29 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses & Beekeeper ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 9,245 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None
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"Ignition switches are junk"
Regularly hear this and similar consternation. I have continuously owned one or more 914s since 1998...think I have replaced only 1 ignition switches over that time, in one car. My current primary car I have had for over twenty years, still on the original switch as far as I know, I have not replaced it during my ownership. None my cars have ever had the added relay although I'm not against it. For those switches removed and in other key ignition switches I have opened up, what I see is part of the housing is cracked in similar locations. Maybe from years of torquing the key over? Not sure. I don't see melted housings (believe they are nylon), no smoke residue or anything out of line, just the cracked housing. Suspect the cracked housing causes some internal misalignment of the internal contacts...i.e. the switch goes bad and needs replacement. I am thinking the problem is the switch housings that break, not anything to do with excessive current flow through the switch. Educate me please. |
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| davep |
Apr 16 2025, 08:22 PM
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914 Historian ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,362 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
It was about 1975 that I purchased a used 73 914. I have driven about 6 of them over the years. I think I have had to replace 3 switches. Yes, the plastic fails over time, that is a given; I won't go into details of why, but essentially it is just aging. The contacts themselves also age with time & use.
If a car is well cared for then it should start easily; essentially very quickly without undue cranking. If the car is hard to start, then a heavy current flows for much longer through the ignition switch, the wires and the interlock relay (if not bypassed) thus causing incremental damage. Every wire connection has resistance and the heavier the current the greater the heat in that connection. Over time that heat causes additional resistance in that connection. Personally, I do not like the high current through the ignition switch; that is un-needed current through the power wires to the fuse panel, and then all the way back to the starter. It is always best to keep the high current wires short and heavy. And let us not forget the body that is the primary ground current carrier. I have had cars where the body was compromised and although the ground stud at the battery appeared solid, it would not carry the starter current adequately. Well, yes there are current limiting circuits; that is the purpose of the fuse box. Some circuits are not fused however. Also, a motor such as the starter will always present a short circuit to the battery (except for the resistance of the wires themselves) until the motor starts to turn. If you have ever tried to measure the starting current of a motor then you know it is essentially futile. Initially it is nearly infinite, but rapidly drops as the battery voltage falls and the starter rotor starts to turn. To measure the current you need a really fast digital storage scope. My own personally constructed harness will utilize a relay near the starter to handle the solenoid current. |
JeffBowlsby Whats wrong with our ignition switches? Apr 16 2025, 03:29 PM
wonkipop
"Ignition switches are junk"
Regularly... Apr 16 2025, 03:51 PM
Root_Werks Similar here, replaced only one in a 914 over 35+ ... Apr 16 2025, 04:05 PM
wonkipop @JeffBowlsby
just asked mike#1.
911 switches pro... Apr 16 2025, 04:25 PM
JeffBowlsby Without excessive current, then why the regular pr... Apr 16 2025, 04:37 PM
Superhawk996
Without excessive current, then why the regular p... Apr 16 2025, 04:56 PM
ctc911ctc Just thinking outloud.... there is no current limi... Apr 16 2025, 05:14 PM
Superhawk996
Not sure what the impulse current is on the Solin... Apr 16 2025, 08:13 PM
bdstone914
[quote name='ctc911ctc' post='3201402' date='Apr ... Apr 17 2025, 04:26 AM
Superhawk996
If it draws 25 amps you don't tonk it needs... Apr 17 2025, 07:14 AM
GregAmy
On the first point - I don’t think it’s fair ... Apr 17 2025, 07:27 AM
ctc911ctc I only have my personal experience
1970 1.7 - in... Apr 16 2025, 05:05 PM
bkrantz My car came with a relay added to the starter, a p... Apr 16 2025, 07:39 PM
Jgilliam914
My car came with a relay added to the starter, a ... Apr 17 2025, 03:28 PM
Dlee6205 Replacing ignition switches has become standard pr... Apr 16 2025, 07:50 PM
Superhawk996 Well know fact . . . When it doesn’t start if yo... Apr 16 2025, 08:08 PM
Justinp71 I added a relay because even after a new switch, o... Apr 16 2025, 09:40 PM
Superhawk996 Greg - You’re right about the roadside “relay... Apr 17 2025, 07:36 AM
GregAmy Far too often it is used to Band-Aid underlying is... Apr 17 2025, 08:34 AM
Dave97 I have another problem I’ve been chasing. 1975 ... Apr 17 2025, 08:26 AM
Superhawk996
I have another problem I’ve been chasing. 1975... Apr 17 2025, 09:18 AM
TheCabinetmaker
I have another problem I’ve been chasing. 1975... Oct 3 2025, 04:37 AM
JeffBowlsby I have not had the electrical portion of the switc... Apr 17 2025, 09:24 AM
Dave97 I tried jb weld, let it dry and then put it togeth... Apr 17 2025, 09:31 AM
Superhawk996
I tried jb weld, let it dry and then put it toget... Apr 17 2025, 10:05 AM
Ishley I’ m on my 3rd switch in 2 yrs. The first one th... Apr 17 2025, 08:51 PM
orthobiz When I bought my 1974 1.8 in 2007, the ignition sw... Apr 18 2025, 06:55 AM
ConeDodger
"Ignition switches are junk"
Regularly... Apr 18 2025, 07:46 AM
chmillman Mine went out yesterday... There are a bunch of r... Sep 30 2025, 08:52 AM
Ishley I've had several go out in 2 years...
The iss... Sep 30 2025, 10:32 AM
tomeric914
I spoke to George at Auto Atlanta to complain abo... Oct 11 2025, 06:39 AM
Olympic 914
About 10 years ago, my switch failed. I was... Oct 11 2025, 07:03 AM
Superhawk996
For those that have melted switches, one thing th... Oct 11 2025, 07:27 AM
tomeric914
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s... Oct 11 2025, 06:20 PM
Superhawk996
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?... Oct 12 2025, 11:31 AM
chmillman Local Porsche dealer just called and said my repla... Oct 2 2025, 04:52 AM
JeffBowlsby Avoid cutting any wires. Just remove the 50 wire ... Oct 2 2025, 09:02 AM
chmillman Thanks @JeffBowlsby , will do...
Here is the par... Oct 2 2025, 11:31 AM
trojanhorsepower I'll add my experience. Hugh and I tried to s... Oct 2 2025, 05:41 PM
DRPHIL914 my 2cents worth and experience with my 15 years of... Oct 8 2025, 12:45 PM
chmillman So got the Partworks switch in a couple of days ag... Oct 9 2025, 02:50 AM
DRPHIL914
So got the Partworks switch in a couple of days a... Oct 9 2025, 06:10 AM
chmillman
so one difference that I see is that the top pic... Oct 9 2025, 08:20 AM
DRPHIL914
[quote name='DRPHIL914' post='3227384' date='Oct ... Oct 10 2025, 11:03 AM
chmillman So, following the excellent Pelican Parts instruct... Oct 11 2025, 02:41 AM
chmillman So, since I had everything mostly apart anyway, ju... Oct 11 2025, 11:33 AM
Superhawk996
Wondering if I shouldn’t wire a relay from batt... Oct 11 2025, 12:10 PM
chmillman
Your problem and symptoms are indicating you hav... Oct 11 2025, 03:12 PM
Dave_Darling Your car is a 74, I see. I didn't read throug... Oct 11 2025, 03:43 PM
Superhawk996
Your car is a 74, I see. I didn't read throu... Oct 12 2025, 11:32 AM
chmillman IT'S FIXED...
OK, you guys are going to have ... Oct 12 2025, 11:35 AM
Superhawk996 Glad you’re back :driving: :Qarl: Oct 12 2025, 12:12 PM
StarBear Lesson learned and noted. Thanks!! Oct 12 2025, 02:23 PM
JamesJ So has it been determined that the $50 Porsch... Oct 20 2025, 07:39 PM![]() ![]() |
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