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| Superhawk996 |
May 15 2025, 09:57 AM
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For those of you that despise the seatbelt / starter interlock and the horrific screeching noise the seat belt buzzer makes - let me say I understand completely. As I’ve been playing with this on the bench my wife now hates the noise just as much as I do.
This thread is going to explain how it works and how to bench test it over the coming days. ![]() Credit is owed to @JeffBowlsby , @Bdstone914 , and @Montreal914 for providing me with donor parts that will make this thread possible. Eventually I will post the schematic of this ridiculous conglomeration of components. I hope to eventually put the circuit in LTSpice to help verify its theoretical operation. I make no warranty as to the accuracy of the schematic - this is just me satisfying my own curiosity. ![]() If you have no interest in my personality defects that would lead me to take on this little project; ignore this thread. If you have a late car with an in-op system and eventually want to get it working - this thread is for you. Toward the end I’ll share some ideas on how to get rid of or to change that horrific buzzer noise. |
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| Superhawk996 |
May 19 2025, 11:44 AM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,656 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch
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This video shows behavior of the relay under a couple conditions
Starts with power being switched on as if someone is sitting in driver seat - unbelted Seat belt is then Fastened (removal of switched ground from pin GF) Then Key turned to start (yellow +12v applied to pin C) which is shown by the lamp between pin C and pin 50 lighting - as if the starter was now being allowed to crank the engine. So that is the basic start sequence After that the video proceeds with unfastening the seat belt (switched ground added back to pin GF) After that we see that adding a switched ground to pin A - simulates applying the park brake. Ground on pin A = silence the lamp and buzzer Then the switched ground is moved over to pin B. Pin B represents having oil pressure . As DaveP correctly stated earlier if the relay thinks the engine is running - or still has oil pressure while it bleeds down - the lights and buzzer are disabled and the vehicle should be able to be restarted. NOTE: this restart attempt is NOT shown in the video - doesn’t always work - I’ll come back to the later regarding anomalies I’ve seen when testing this relay After moving the switched ground back to pin A (park brake applied) and the seat belt unfastened - 12v is again applied to pin C, we see the FSB lamp lights and the buzzer comes on but the starter interlock isn’t enabled - basically reminding the occupant to fasten the seat belt before the engine can be started The seat belt is then fastened (switched ground removed from pin GF) and 12v is applied to pin C and we can see the vehicle would be allowed to start https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo55bVLfsYM?si=ZCez5BhdQteaLknO |
Superhawk996 Seat Belt Interlock Relay May 15 2025, 09:57 AM
Superhawk996 My curiosity in this part is the result of the Hay... May 15 2025, 10:05 AM
Superhawk996 Let’s start with how this thing is supposed to w... May 15 2025, 10:06 AM
ClayPerrine While I am curious to know how it works, I am stil... May 15 2025, 11:09 AM
Superhawk996
While I am curious to know how it works, I am sti... May 15 2025, 11:34 AM
914werke [url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=... May 15 2025, 11:44 AM
Superhawk996
[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=... May 15 2025, 11:59 AM
Superhawk996 So this is where things start to go astray.
I ca... May 15 2025, 11:57 AM
fiacra
The one thing I haven’t been able to find is a... May 15 2025, 04:51 PM
Superhawk996
Here you go. From my 1975 Owner's manual. ... May 15 2025, 06:52 PM
rjames Following
:popcorn:
I've thought about tryi... May 15 2025, 12:53 PM
Root_Werks
Following
:popcorn:
I've thought about try... May 15 2025, 01:06 PM
Superhawk996 Let’s start with the Haynes / factory manual bla... May 15 2025, 02:47 PM
Superhawk996 The PIN ID’s are clearly labeled on the interloc... May 15 2025, 02:59 PM
Superhawk996 The Fasten Seat Belt light is powered by 12v suppl... May 15 2025, 03:03 PM
Superhawk996 So let’s talk about the horrific buzzer
If a s... May 15 2025, 03:39 PM
rjames F that buzzer. :lol: May 15 2025, 06:01 PM
Superhawk996
F that buzzer. :lol:
:lol4: for sure!
Iâ... May 15 2025, 06:38 PM
Artfrombama Interesting, appreciate the research!
P. O. di... May 15 2025, 07:05 PM
JeffBowlsby This is awesome Phil! Chipping away at one of... May 15 2025, 09:51 PM
StarBear :popcorn: Enjoying this immensely.
Disconnected m... May 16 2025, 06:53 AM
flipb Just checked my 1974 manual and it's pretty mu... May 16 2025, 07:08 AM
friethmiller Great thread, Phil. :popcorn: On my red '74 ... May 16 2025, 07:30 AM
Superhawk996
I know I have the smaller relay (see arrow). N... May 16 2025, 12:54 PM
barefoot
I know I have the smaller relay (see arrow). ... May 16 2025, 01:29 PM
Superhawk996
You must have a lot of free time on your hands, ... May 16 2025, 02:00 PM
ClayPerrine
[quote name='barefoot' post='3205819' date='May 1... May 16 2025, 02:49 PM
Superhawk996
I would just build a small electronic circuit wi... May 16 2025, 05:37 PM
ClayPerrine I can remember taking the seat cushion out of Bett... May 16 2025, 09:16 AM
Superhawk996
I can remember taking the seat cushion out of Bet... May 16 2025, 12:56 PM
davep Just saw this thread. I worked on this about 3 yea... May 16 2025, 03:18 PM
Superhawk996
The two minute restart delay comes from the oil ... May 16 2025, 05:31 PM
Superhawk996 Driver side seat circuits
The driver side seat c... May 16 2025, 07:22 PM
Superhawk996 Here’s how the situation looks on the bench with... May 16 2025, 07:32 PM
Superhawk996 And again with the seat belt fastened where the op... May 16 2025, 07:34 PM
Superhawk996 So at this point we are though the sit down & ... May 16 2025, 08:06 PM
Superhawk996 I know almost no one cares about the internal deta... May 16 2025, 08:26 PM
Superhawk996 Oh - here’s which relays are which
The starter... May 16 2025, 09:03 PM
Superhawk996 More coming on observed anomalies and how the oil ... May 16 2025, 09:07 PM
Superhawk996 OK. Been sidelined for a little while but time to... Aug 25 2025, 09:32 AM
Superhawk996 If there is interest, I’ll post more on the LTSp... Aug 25 2025, 09:36 AM
Superhawk996 Here’s the situation where LTspice is capturing ... Aug 25 2025, 09:53 AM
Superhawk996 So maybe it's an appropriate time to come back... Aug 25 2025, 10:26 AM![]() ![]() |
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