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| GeorgeKopf |
May 26 2025, 04:25 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 255 Joined: 9-February 21 From: Princeton, NJ Member No.: 25,186 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I'm wring my 1973 wiring harness and have a bunch of things installed which seem to be working correctly (i.e. headlights (high & low beam), headlight motors, turn signals, running lights, tail lights)
But (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bootyshake.gif) the turn signal indicators are always on! I've traced the flow of current from the fuse panel (red with white stripe) to the hazard switch, from there (red) to the relay and from there to the turn signal indicators (blue with white stripe). 47 is the relay 31 is the hazard switch 22 is the turn signal lights 26 is the steering column switch ![]() I have two relays and both seem to work fine. When I pull out the hazard switch the indicators and lights all blink. When I set the turn signal that side blinks. I have two hazard switches and both behave the same way. As soon as I connect the red and red/white wires the turn signal indicators come on. With the knob pushed in, I have continuity between the red/white (power in) and the red (power out to the relay). With the knob pulled out, I have continuity between the black/red (power in) and the red (power out to the relay). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) More information: I have cleaned all grounding studs. I disassembled one of the relays and cleaned it. If I disconnect all of the wires from the hazard switch except for the red/white and the red, the signal indicators come on and stay on. Doesn't this mean that my relay is bad? It should be getting power so that it can feed the turn signal indicators when the turn signals are set. It seems that the relay is allowing the input power to the blue/white wires when it shouldn't. If so, is there a good way to test or repair them? Thanks in advance for any advice. George |
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| GeorgeKopf |
May 28 2025, 07:15 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 255 Joined: 9-February 21 From: Princeton, NJ Member No.: 25,186 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
@Spoke You said:
"An easy workaround which I did on my 914 is to remove the common wire at the indicators and tape them off. Then make a pigtail like shown below. The piggyback connector goes under the tach ground (brown wire) and the 2 female spades go to each indicator." This should be an easy test since my dash is off, and all the gauge wires are exposed. My flasher relay is only labeled: ....49 49a....C ....31.......(see below) ......................................Relay #1................................Relay #2 Between 31 and 49a:..there is no continuity..................there is no continuity Between 31 and 49:....resistance is 812 ohms...............there is no continuity Between 31 and C:.....resistance is 876 ohms..............there is no continuity Between 49a and 49:..there is no continuity..................there is no continuity between 49a and C:....there is no continuity..................there is no continuity Between 49 and C:......resistance is 850 ohms...............resistance is 48 ohms Lastly, I poked and prodded all the little switches in the mechanisms and some of the above numbers changed significantly. ![]() Thanks. George |
| Superhawk996 |
May 29 2025, 02:42 AM
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Between 49 and C:......resistance is 850 ohms...............resistance is 48 ohms Neither of those flasher relay measurements looks particularly promising. If your measurements are correct, the one with 48 ohms should lead to indicators that glow much brighter than the other. Good job doing some basic troubleshooting. I’d agree - short of trying to revive those, or to set up a complete bench test inclusive of incandescent lamp loads I’d order a new one. |
GeorgeKopf Turn signal indicator lights come on with key May 26 2025, 04:25 PM
904svo jUST A wag check that the brown wire is connect to... May 26 2025, 05:21 PM
Superhawk996 Simplified wiring diagram from Spoke
Take note... May 27 2025, 05:26 AM
Superhawk996
If I disconnect all of the wires from the hazard... May 27 2025, 05:29 AM
rfinegan ON or blinking?
My problems have allows been a bad... May 27 2025, 05:51 AM
Superhawk996
See diode in the flasher circuit.
??
There is... May 27 2025, 06:00 AM
rfinegan My bad, not a diode but replacement did fix my lig... May 27 2025, 08:55 AM
GeorgeKopf @Superhawk996
Thanks for the simplified diagram. ... May 27 2025, 07:11 PM
Superhawk996 If you’ve already tried 2 flasher relays, and it... May 27 2025, 10:33 PM
GeorgeKopf @Superhawk996
I was thinking how I might bench t... May 28 2025, 08:46 AM
Superhawk996
Do you know which connector on the unit represen... May 28 2025, 09:34 AM
Spoke
But :bootyshake: the turn signal indicators are a... May 28 2025, 09:17 AM
GeorgeKopf @Spoke
If I remove the flasher relay, the indica... May 28 2025, 09:40 AM
Spoke
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s... May 28 2025, 02:43 PM
rfinegan I did use a LED ready hazard flasher, so when I up... May 28 2025, 11:32 AM
GeorgeKopf @rfinegan
This is very good information. I... May 28 2025, 11:51 AM
Spoke
My flasher relay is only labeled:
....49
49a....... May 29 2025, 07:30 AM
GeorgeKopf @Spoke
Do you open up a stock EP26 and modify it... May 29 2025, 07:47 AM
Spoke
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s... May 29 2025, 08:24 AM
GeorgeKopf
Yes. I show how to make the mod on my website if ... May 29 2025, 09:52 AM
Spoke
Yes. I show how to make the mod on my website if... May 29 2025, 08:00 PM
GeorgeKopf
I'll buy one of your LED relays.
I installe... Jun 8 2025, 07:37 PM
GeorgeKopf Before I start a new thread .....
<edit> I... May 31 2025, 04:34 PM
GeorgeKopf @Spokes
<edit> I just found the answer on... May 31 2025, 07:09 PM
Spoke
@Spokes
<edit> I just found the answer o... May 31 2025, 09:05 PM
BillC
[quote name='GeorgeKopf' post='3208274' date='May... Jun 2 2025, 07:09 PM
Superhawk996 :trophy:
Good job doing the basic troubleshootin... Jun 9 2025, 07:52 PM![]() ![]() |
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