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> 123Ignition Static Timing, Engine will not start
SteveNMaine
post Jul 1 2025, 10:08 AM
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I just setup my carbureted 2056 with 123Ignition distributor and cannot get it started.

Basics: Compression is good, new dual carbs and there is spark.

I have read several methods of setting static timing,

Method 1: 123 manual says set timing marks at 0 TDC and turn distributor till light turns green, I did that, no Joy.

Method 2: Set timing marks at 7.5 BTDC and turn distributor till light turns green, I did that, it sounded more like it wanted to start but no joy.

Should I continue to advance the timing?
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post Jul 2 2025, 08:09 AM
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Here's a note I have saved from Ian concerning setup that might help you: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&...t&p=3110141


Jake Raby taught me a simple method. First, follow the directions for installation, which will get you to a point where the car runs. Set a curve point for 8 degrees @ 1K RPM, a point for 27 degrees @ 3000 rpm and a point for 27 degrees at 5K. Load that curve into the 123 distributor. Then hook up a timing light, cap off the vac advance and rev the engine to 3K RPM. I like to aim at the notch on the flywheel. Rotate the 123 until you’re showing 27 degrees BTDC @3K and then lock the unit down. The app and dizzy are now synched and you’ve approximated a simple stock curve. Now the fun begins. Drive around and see if there are any flat spots in acceleration. Make note of the rpm’s where the power seems to dip. Add points there to fine tune the advance. You’ll probably need a little more advance a little earlier. You may also need to tweak your idle advance a bit until it runs smoothly. Of course the condition of your engine, altitude and a bunch of other factors come into play.
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SteveNMaine   123Ignition Static Timing   Jul 1 2025, 10:08 AM
jim_hoyland   Call Ed at 1-2-3 (440) 668-8164 He’s the guru   Jul 1 2025, 10:53 AM
wbgoggans   Call Ed at 1-2-3 (440) 668-8164 He’s the guru ...   Jul 1 2025, 03:20 PM
FlacaProductions   Yup. Install and rotate counter-clockwise juuuuus...   Jul 1 2025, 04:05 PM
Robarabian   What Flaca said... you don't just turn it... a...   Jul 1 2025, 05:56 PM
dtmehall   not to be a dinosaur, but this is a very similar p...   Jul 1 2025, 08:56 PM
SteveNMaine   I have the 123/TUNE+4-R-V-POR What should I be pro...   Jul 2 2025, 04:37 AM
FlacaProductions   Here's a note I have saved from Ian concerning...   Jul 2 2025, 08:09 AM
SteveNMaine   Here's a note I have saved from Ian concernin...   Jul 3 2025, 01:57 PM
SteveNMaine   [quote name='FlacaProductions' post='3212878' dat...   Jul 3 2025, 06:18 PM
Superhawk996   I still have not been able to get my 2056 to star...   Jul 3 2025, 09:17 AM
SteveNMaine   I still have not been able to get my 2056 to sta...   Jul 4 2025, 09:50 AM
IronHillRestorations   If it ran well before you pulled the distributor, ...   Jul 3 2025, 09:38 AM
IronHillRestorations   Make sure there’s a center contact in the distri...   Jul 3 2025, 02:53 PM
emerygt350   Have you tried starting fluid? Timing is just tim...   Jul 3 2025, 06:34 PM
Stratfink   Hang in there Steve. Several of us struggled to ge...   Jul 3 2025, 11:12 PM
Superhawk996   Cool - glad you don’t want to give up just yet. ...   Jul 4 2025, 10:26 AM
SteveNMaine   Cool - glad you don’t want to give up just yet....   Jul 4 2025, 06:58 PM
Superhawk996   The dizzy drive gear installation and proper posit...   Jul 4 2025, 10:30 AM
SteveNMaine   The dizzy drive gear installation and proper posi...   Jul 5 2025, 06:36 AM
cassmcentee   Here is a pic of how mine is installed, I believe ...   Jul 5 2025, 06:47 AM
Superhawk996   Looking at the installation page it says the tim...   Jul 5 2025, 06:59 AM
Superhawk996   Sort of assumed you knew you’re getting fuel due...   Jul 4 2025, 07:06 PM
SteveNMaine   So, I removed the 123 dizzy and checked the drive ...   Jul 5 2025, 08:51 AM
emerygt350   You need to be more descriptive than 'not star...   Jul 5 2025, 10:37 AM
Superhawk996   Good job putting the dizzy drive to correct positi...   Jul 5 2025, 10:59 AM
Superhawk996   Also have questions about the carbs. 1) Are thes...   Jul 5 2025, 11:07 AM
iankarr   Hang in there! As others have said, it will be...   Jul 5 2025, 11:56 AM
SteveNMaine   The carbs are brand new; linkage is hooked up to b...   Jul 5 2025, 02:01 PM
Superhawk996   The carbs are brand new; linkage is hooked up to ...   Jul 5 2025, 03:45 PM
OrangeBones   It might be the fueling but if you can shoot video...   Jul 5 2025, 06:02 PM
emerygt350   Engines start easier a little retarded on the timi...   Jul 5 2025, 07:24 PM
IronHillRestorations   I’m still not convinced that the timing is set a...   Jul 6 2025, 06:43 AM
fixer34   I’m still not convinced that the timing is set ...   Jul 6 2025, 11:55 AM
IronHillRestorations   I’m still not convinced that the timing is set...   Jul 6 2025, 07:01 PM
iankarr   Is there a new cam in the engine? If so, I'd m...   Jul 6 2025, 03:21 PM
SteveNMaine   Is there a new cam in the engine? If so, I'd ...   Jul 7 2025, 04:34 AM
iankarr   Is there a new cam in the engine? If so, I'd...   Jul 8 2025, 11:27 PM
Rob-O   I’m still not convinced that the timing is set ...   Jul 6 2025, 06:07 PM
IronHillRestorations   Take the driver side valve cover off and confirm b...   Jul 6 2025, 08:23 PM
IronHillRestorations   duplicate   Jul 6 2025, 08:23 PM
emerygt350   If the cam is off a tooth or three it will.   Jul 7 2025, 04:48 AM
SteveNMaine   If the cam is off a tooth or three it will. Let...   Jul 7 2025, 06:13 AM
emerygt350   If the cam is off a tooth or three it will. Let...   Jul 7 2025, 06:32 AM
SteveNMaine   Last year I purchased a 1975 2.0 that had been rem...   Jul 7 2025, 07:54 AM
emerygt350   I would still verify, just to be absolutely certai...   Jul 7 2025, 08:10 AM
SteveNMaine   I would still verify, just to be absolutely certa...   Jul 7 2025, 08:54 AM
Superhawk996   With all due respect - the advance curve has nothi...   Jul 7 2025, 09:18 AM
SteveNMaine   At TDC the valves 0n #1 are closed, timing marks o...   Jul 7 2025, 12:10 PM
emerygt350   All that's left is spark and compression.... ...   Jul 7 2025, 02:47 PM
Front yard mechanic   I used the coil from 123 and have the model w/ no ...   Jul 7 2025, 03:21 PM
SteveNMaine   So, I spoke with Ed at 123 and he suggested cranki...   Jul 7 2025, 06:37 PM
IronHillRestorations   Good to hear you’ve got it to start :headbanger...   Jul 7 2025, 08:11 PM
SteveNMaine   So, the next puzzle is this; when the 123 is setup...   Jul 9 2025, 05:34 AM
emerygt350   So, the next puzzle is this; when the 123 is setu...   Jul 9 2025, 06:59 AM
VaccaRabite   So, the next puzzle is this; when the 123 is setu...   Jul 9 2025, 04:15 PM
fixer34   I'm not familiar with the 123 unit, the 50yr o...   Jul 9 2025, 07:09 AM
nditiz1   It is recommended to create a 0 degree file. Make...   Jul 9 2025, 07:11 AM
emerygt350   I do this all the time. Not the 180 out but putti...   Jul 9 2025, 06:23 PM
SteveNMaine   So, what I discovered: The plate under the rotor ...   Jul 10 2025, 06:30 AM
emerygt350   Well, that makes sense. I seem to remember that wh...   Jul 10 2025, 09:15 AM


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