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| SteveNMaine |
 Jul 1 2025, 10:08 AM
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I just setup my carbureted 2056 with 123Ignition distributor and cannot get it started.
Basics: Compression is good, new dual carbs and there is spark. I have read several methods of setting static timing, Method 1: 123 manual says set timing marks at 0 TDC and turn distributor till light turns green, I did that, no Joy. Method 2: Set timing marks at 7.5 BTDC and turn distributor till light turns green, I did that, it sounded more like it wanted to start but no joy. Should I continue to advance the timing? |
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| emerygt350 |
Jul 7 2025, 08:10 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,181 Joined: 20-July 21 From: Upstate, NY Member No.: 25,740 Region Association: North East States |
I would still verify, just to be absolutely certain all is well. I know pulling the valve cover is a pain but better to be absolutely certain.
I have almost the exact same setup (73 though) minus the cam and around 8.8 compression. Just like you, many engines but first type 4. I still have the d-jet though. How crazy have you gotten turning the dizzy while trying to start it? I would probably try it but there is a small chance a bad detonation could hurt something. I think I would go back and be absolutely certain about TDC and valve position only due to my paranoia about the chance of damage. |
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| SteveNMaine |
Jul 7 2025, 08:54 AM
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QUOTE(emerygt350 @ Jul 7 2025, 08:10 AM)  I would still verify, just to be absolutely certain all is well. I know pulling the valve cover is a pain but better to be absolutely certain. I have almost the exact same setup (73 though) minus the cam and around 8.8 compression. Just like you, many engines but first type 4. I still have the d-jet though. How crazy have you gotten turning the dizzy while trying to start it? I would probably try it but there is a small chance a bad detonation could hurt something. I think I would go back and be absolutely certain about TDC and valve position only due to my paranoia about the chance of damage. I have tried 0* @ 500, 5* @ 500, 10* @ 500 and 15* @ 500 all with 28* @ 3000 at the top setting. |
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SteveNMaine 123Ignition Static Timing Jul 1 2025, 10:08 AM
jim_hoyland Call Ed at 1-2-3
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He’s the guru Jul 1 2025, 10:53 AM
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Call Ed at 1-2-3
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He’s the guru
... Jul 1 2025, 03:20 PM FlacaProductions Yup. Install and rotate counter-clockwise juuuuus... Jul 1 2025, 04:05 PM Robarabian What Flaca said... you don't just turn it... a... Jul 1 2025, 05:56 PM dtmehall not to be a dinosaur, but this is a very similar p... Jul 1 2025, 08:56 PM SteveNMaine I have the 123/TUNE+4-R-V-POR What should I be pro... Jul 2 2025, 04:37 AM FlacaProductions Here's a note I have saved from Ian concerning... Jul 2 2025, 08:09 AM SteveNMaine
Here's a note I have saved from Ian concernin... Jul 3 2025, 01:57 PM SteveNMaine
[quote name='FlacaProductions' post='3212878' dat... Jul 3 2025, 06:18 PM Superhawk996
I still have not been able to get my 2056 to star... Jul 3 2025, 09:17 AM SteveNMaine
I still have not been able to get my 2056 to sta... Jul 4 2025, 09:50 AM IronHillRestorations If it ran well before you pulled the distributor, ... Jul 3 2025, 09:38 AM IronHillRestorations Make sure there’s a center contact in the distri... Jul 3 2025, 02:53 PM emerygt350 Have you tried starting fluid?
Timing is just tim... Jul 3 2025, 06:34 PM Stratfink Hang in there Steve. Several of us struggled to ge... Jul 3 2025, 11:12 PM Superhawk996 Cool - glad you don’t want to give up just yet. ... Jul 4 2025, 10:26 AM SteveNMaine
Cool - glad you don’t want to give up just yet.... Jul 4 2025, 06:58 PM Superhawk996 The dizzy drive gear installation and proper posit... Jul 4 2025, 10:30 AM SteveNMaine
The dizzy drive gear installation and proper posi... Jul 5 2025, 06:36 AM cassmcentee Here is a pic of how mine is installed, I believe ... Jul 5 2025, 06:47 AM Superhawk996
Looking at the installation page it says the tim... Jul 5 2025, 06:59 AM Superhawk996 Sort of assumed you knew you’re getting fuel due... Jul 4 2025, 07:06 PM SteveNMaine So, I removed the 123 dizzy and checked the drive ... Jul 5 2025, 08:51 AM emerygt350 You need to be more descriptive than 'not star... Jul 5 2025, 10:37 AM Superhawk996 Good job putting the dizzy drive to correct positi... Jul 5 2025, 10:59 AM Superhawk996 Also have questions about the carbs.
1) Are thes... Jul 5 2025, 11:07 AM iankarr Hang in there! As others have said, it will be... Jul 5 2025, 11:56 AM SteveNMaine The carbs are brand new; linkage is hooked up to b... Jul 5 2025, 02:01 PM Superhawk996
The carbs are brand new; linkage is hooked up to ... Jul 5 2025, 03:45 PM OrangeBones It might be the fueling but if you can shoot video... Jul 5 2025, 06:02 PM emerygt350 Engines start easier a little retarded on the timi... Jul 5 2025, 07:24 PM IronHillRestorations I’m still not convinced that the timing is set a... Jul 6 2025, 06:43 AM fixer34
I’m still not convinced that the timing is set ... Jul 6 2025, 11:55 AM IronHillRestorations
I’m still not convinced that the timing is set... Jul 6 2025, 07:01 PM iankarr Is there a new cam in the engine? If so, I'd m... Jul 6 2025, 03:21 PM SteveNMaine
Is there a new cam in the engine? If so, I'd ... Jul 7 2025, 04:34 AM iankarr
Is there a new cam in the engine? If so, I'd... Jul 8 2025, 11:27 PM Rob-O
I’m still not convinced that the timing is set ... Jul 6 2025, 06:07 PM IronHillRestorations Take the driver side valve cover off and confirm b... Jul 6 2025, 08:23 PM IronHillRestorations duplicate Jul 6 2025, 08:23 PM emerygt350 If the cam is off a tooth or three it will. Jul 7 2025, 04:48 AM SteveNMaine
If the cam is off a tooth or three it will.
Let... Jul 7 2025, 06:13 AM emerygt350
If the cam is off a tooth or three it will.
Let... Jul 7 2025, 06:32 AM SteveNMaine Last year I purchased a 1975 2.0 that had been rem... Jul 7 2025, 07:54 AM Superhawk996 With all due respect - the advance curve has nothi... Jul 7 2025, 09:18 AM SteveNMaine At TDC the valves 0n #1 are closed, timing marks o... Jul 7 2025, 12:10 PM emerygt350 All that's left is spark and compression.... ... Jul 7 2025, 02:47 PM Front yard mechanic I used the coil from 123 and have the model w/ no ... Jul 7 2025, 03:21 PM SteveNMaine So, I spoke with Ed at 123 and he suggested cranki... Jul 7 2025, 06:37 PM IronHillRestorations Good to hear you’ve got it to start :headbanger... Jul 7 2025, 08:11 PM SteveNMaine So, the next puzzle is this; when the 123 is setup... Jul 9 2025, 05:34 AM emerygt350
So, the next puzzle is this; when the 123 is setu... Jul 9 2025, 06:59 AM VaccaRabite
So, the next puzzle is this; when the 123 is setu... Jul 9 2025, 04:15 PM fixer34 I'm not familiar with the 123 unit, the 50yr o... Jul 9 2025, 07:09 AM nditiz1 It is recommended to create a 0 degree file. Make... Jul 9 2025, 07:11 AM emerygt350 I do this all the time. Not the 180 out but putti... Jul 9 2025, 06:23 PM SteveNMaine So, what I discovered:
The plate under the rotor ... Jul 10 2025, 06:30 AM emerygt350 Well, that makes sense. I seem to remember that wh... Jul 10 2025, 09:15 AM |
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