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| Superhawk996 |
May 15 2025, 09:57 AM
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For those of you that despise the seatbelt / starter interlock and the horrific screeching noise the seat belt buzzer makes - let me say I understand completely. As I’ve been playing with this on the bench my wife now hates the noise just as much as I do.
This thread is going to explain how it works and how to bench test it over the coming days. ![]() Credit is owed to @JeffBowlsby , @Bdstone914 , and @Montreal914 for providing me with donor parts that will make this thread possible. Eventually I will post the schematic of this ridiculous conglomeration of components. I hope to eventually put the circuit in LTSpice to help verify its theoretical operation. I make no warranty as to the accuracy of the schematic - this is just me satisfying my own curiosity. ![]() If you have no interest in my personality defects that would lead me to take on this little project; ignore this thread. If you have a late car with an in-op system and eventually want to get it working - this thread is for you. Toward the end I’ll share some ideas on how to get rid of or to change that horrific buzzer noise. |
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| Superhawk996 |
Aug 25 2025, 09:32 AM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,656 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch
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OK. Been sidelined for a little while but time to get back to this insanity.
Thanks again to @JeffBowlsby @BdStone914 @Montreal914 for the parts to play with -- this would not be possible without you guys (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) I've been working on reverse engineering the circuit and getting it put into LTSpice. Mostly for my own entertainment and education. This little relay does some odd things which I mentioned earlier. LTSpice is confirming that some of the behaviors I'm seeing appear to be inherent to the circuit design and how it powers on. I haven't gone though them all but here's an example. When the circuit first powers on (key on but not trying to Start): If either of the seat cushions are occupied and a seat belt is fastened, the Fasten Seat Belt Lamp and the buzzer come on for about 1/4 - 1/2 second then shut off as power is applied. The vehicle start interlock relay engages and the vehicle would be allowed to start if the key is moved to start position. I have two relays that do this but the time they are on varies between them. I suspect this is related to the fact that one relay, I've replaced the elecrolytic capacitors with new ones while the other one still has 50 year old capacitors in it. The relay with the fresh capacitors stays on longer (almost 1/2 second) while the old unit is very short (like 1/4 second) but is noticeable. I know this is a complete boondoggle given most of these systems have been either bypassed or completely disabled but I'm wondering if anyone else has a functional late (74' - 76') seat belt interlock system and wondering if others have seen this behavior from the lamp and buzzer. |
Superhawk996 Seat Belt Interlock Relay May 15 2025, 09:57 AM
Superhawk996 My curiosity in this part is the result of the Hay... May 15 2025, 10:05 AM
Superhawk996 Let’s start with how this thing is supposed to w... May 15 2025, 10:06 AM
ClayPerrine While I am curious to know how it works, I am stil... May 15 2025, 11:09 AM
Superhawk996
While I am curious to know how it works, I am sti... May 15 2025, 11:34 AM
914werke [url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=... May 15 2025, 11:44 AM
Superhawk996
[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=... May 15 2025, 11:59 AM
Superhawk996 So this is where things start to go astray.
I ca... May 15 2025, 11:57 AM
fiacra
The one thing I haven’t been able to find is a... May 15 2025, 04:51 PM
Superhawk996
Here you go. From my 1975 Owner's manual. ... May 15 2025, 06:52 PM
rjames Following
:popcorn:
I've thought about tryi... May 15 2025, 12:53 PM
Root_Werks
Following
:popcorn:
I've thought about try... May 15 2025, 01:06 PM
Superhawk996 Let’s start with the Haynes / factory manual bla... May 15 2025, 02:47 PM
Superhawk996 The PIN ID’s are clearly labeled on the interloc... May 15 2025, 02:59 PM
Superhawk996 The Fasten Seat Belt light is powered by 12v suppl... May 15 2025, 03:03 PM
Superhawk996 So let’s talk about the horrific buzzer
If a s... May 15 2025, 03:39 PM
rjames F that buzzer. :lol: May 15 2025, 06:01 PM
Superhawk996
F that buzzer. :lol:
:lol4: for sure!
Iâ... May 15 2025, 06:38 PM
Artfrombama Interesting, appreciate the research!
P. O. di... May 15 2025, 07:05 PM
JeffBowlsby This is awesome Phil! Chipping away at one of... May 15 2025, 09:51 PM
StarBear :popcorn: Enjoying this immensely.
Disconnected m... May 16 2025, 06:53 AM
flipb Just checked my 1974 manual and it's pretty mu... May 16 2025, 07:08 AM
friethmiller Great thread, Phil. :popcorn: On my red '74 ... May 16 2025, 07:30 AM
Superhawk996
I know I have the smaller relay (see arrow). N... May 16 2025, 12:54 PM
barefoot
I know I have the smaller relay (see arrow). ... May 16 2025, 01:29 PM
Superhawk996
You must have a lot of free time on your hands, ... May 16 2025, 02:00 PM
ClayPerrine
[quote name='barefoot' post='3205819' date='May 1... May 16 2025, 02:49 PM
Superhawk996
I would just build a small electronic circuit wi... May 16 2025, 05:37 PM
ClayPerrine I can remember taking the seat cushion out of Bett... May 16 2025, 09:16 AM
Superhawk996
I can remember taking the seat cushion out of Bet... May 16 2025, 12:56 PM
davep Just saw this thread. I worked on this about 3 yea... May 16 2025, 03:18 PM
Superhawk996
The two minute restart delay comes from the oil ... May 16 2025, 05:31 PM
Superhawk996 Driver side seat circuits
The driver side seat c... May 16 2025, 07:22 PM
Superhawk996 Here’s how the situation looks on the bench with... May 16 2025, 07:32 PM
Superhawk996 And again with the seat belt fastened where the op... May 16 2025, 07:34 PM
Superhawk996 So at this point we are though the sit down & ... May 16 2025, 08:06 PM
Superhawk996 I know almost no one cares about the internal deta... May 16 2025, 08:26 PM
Superhawk996 Oh - here’s which relays are which
The starter... May 16 2025, 09:03 PM
Superhawk996 More coming on observed anomalies and how the oil ... May 16 2025, 09:07 PM
Superhawk996 This video shows behavior of the relay under a cou... May 19 2025, 11:44 AM
Superhawk996 If there is interest, I’ll post more on the LTSp... Aug 25 2025, 09:36 AM
Superhawk996 Here’s the situation where LTspice is capturing ... Aug 25 2025, 09:53 AM
Superhawk996 So maybe it's an appropriate time to come back... Aug 25 2025, 10:26 AM![]() ![]() |
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