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> Explain the 300 dollar shock to me, Thread on BOGE replacements and later on 5 lug 911 strut options
emerygt350
post Jun 6 2025, 08:08 PM
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An insert for 275? What and why? Is it just rarity? Some strange one off design that no other car uses?
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post Nov 7 2025, 08:18 AM
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In my experience, Koni’s can be adjusted much softer than Bil’s. My business partner at the shop is a big fan of Bilsteins. I’m not, at least on light cars. I think they are fine for the mid year on up 911’s but I think they are too harsh for the front of a light weight car like a 914 or early 911. Now if you send them out and get them custom valved, that’s another story.
All the other stuff matters as well. I always ran my tire pressure on the low side on stock 914’s because it felt better to me - at least with the tires I had on the car. Like superhawk said, there’s a lot that goes into suspension tuning.
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post Nov 7 2025, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE(mepstein @ Nov 7 2025, 08:18 AM) *

In my experience, Koni’s can be adjusted much softer than Bil’s. My business partner at the shop is a big fan of Bilsteins. I’m not, at least on light cars. I think they are fine for the mid year on up 911’s but I think they are too harsh for the front of a light weight car like a 914 or early 911. Now if you send them out and get them custom valved, that’s another story.
All the other stuff matters as well. I always ran my tire pressure on the low side on stock 914’s because it felt better to me - at least with the tires I had on the car. Like superhawk said, there’s a lot that goes into suspension tuning.


yes, both you and @Superhawk996 are bringing up the important point that the shocks shouldn't be seen in isolation as necessarily the cause of "harshness".

i found that the tyres i had fitted a long time back in the 90s were the main reason.
lower profile 195s, which i had to put on back then because.......original size tyres were simply NLA across the board in a 15 inch size. even for a VW. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

right now the set up i have is basically what was fitted to an LE in 74 as a lot of those got the bilsteins.

165 stock profile michelin XAS, front and rear sway bars, bilstiens (B6). stock rear springs. i would not call it harsh. i'd call it firm. but certainly not harsh.
i think the tyres play a major part in producing the right kind of balance between comfort and grip. and i run them at stock pressures. softer in the front as @mepstein does.

but......these are not everyday tyres and have a hefty price tag. not really what most folks want. they are fine in the dry as in fact the compound is i doubt nothing like the originals back in the day. (and probably the internal construction as well). but i don't think they would perform anything like a modern tyre in the wet. not that i am going to find out.

i went for this set up by the way out of deliberately seeking to make the car feel and drive precisely as it did in the 70s. purely to enjoy the anachronistic pleasure.
i've got another car for a contemporary experience. its not that i cruise the 914. i don't. but i drive it for what it was to enjoy that "sensation". if i had a Model T i would do the same thing.

seems to me koni adjustables would be the way out of this. a couple of blokes i know run them on their alfa gtvs (late 60s). they do track days with them. but also do street rallys. they seem to like them.
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emerygt350   Explain the 300 dollar shock to me   Jun 6 2025, 08:08 PM
bkrantz   An insert for 275? What and why? Is it just rar...   Jun 6 2025, 10:19 PM
emerygt350   [quote name='emerygt350' post='3209243' date='Jun...   Jun 7 2025, 04:45 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   we had the original boges duplicated by a suspensi...   Jun 7 2025, 09:17 AM
Superhawk996   we had the original boges duplicated by a suspens...   Jun 7 2025, 09:42 AM
jd74914   we had the original boges duplicated by a suspen...   Nov 4 2025, 11:15 AM
Shivers   I think I’ll see if they can rebuild mine. Price...   Jun 7 2025, 05:04 AM
DennisV   I think I’ll see if they can rebuild mine. Pric...   Jun 7 2025, 11:21 AM
Shivers   I think I’ll see if they can rebuild mine. Pri...   Jun 7 2025, 12:01 PM
914Sixer   Rebuilt shocks seem to be a thing of the past. I a...   Jun 7 2025, 05:35 AM
Shivers   Rebuilt shocks seem to be a thing of the past. I ...   Jun 7 2025, 07:32 AM
emerygt350   I think I might go with the reproduction from auto...   Jun 7 2025, 07:06 AM
Superhawk996   Yup a terrible shame there aren’t Monro-matic or...   Jun 7 2025, 07:51 AM
rick 918-S   Same deal with 914-4 CV's. It totally baffles ...   Jun 7 2025, 09:11 AM
Superhawk996   Same deal with 914-4 CV's. It totally baffles...   Jun 7 2025, 09:40 AM
rick 918-S   Same deal with 914-4 CV's. It totally baffle...   Jun 7 2025, 09:50 AM
Superhawk996   [quote name='Superhawk996' post='3209322' date='J...   Jun 7 2025, 09:55 AM
emerygt350   Yeah, not necessary. Too bad the cheap option app...   Jun 7 2025, 09:13 AM
rjames   Buyer beware- I saw a post on Facebook where someo...   Jun 7 2025, 09:17 AM
cgnj   @dr914 @autoatlanta.com I saw the post on the FB P...   Jun 8 2025, 10:47 AM
emerygt350   Well. Always a surprise. Still leaking though... ...   Jun 12 2025, 11:29 AM
emerygt350   Just took her through some twisty mountain roads, ...   Jun 12 2025, 01:02 PM
mepstein   At least on Bilsteins’ there is supposed to be a...   Jun 12 2025, 01:20 PM
emerygt350   Ahh, well, I guess this is more like 5mm. It was ...   Jun 12 2025, 02:51 PM
chmillman   I'm tired of my bone-shaking Bilsteins... Rea...   Nov 1 2025, 12:06 PM
mepstein   I'm tired of my bone-shaking Bilsteins... Re...   Nov 1 2025, 12:34 PM
chmillman   Well, the car has had a 5 bolt conversion. So tho...   Nov 1 2025, 02:59 PM
mepstein   Well, the car has had a 5 bolt conversion. So th...   Nov 1 2025, 05:05 PM
chmillman   How was the conversion done. With redrilled rotor...   Nov 2 2025, 12:53 AM
wonkipop   How was the conversion done. With redrilled roto...   Nov 2 2025, 11:40 AM
chmillman   i have a vague recollection the originals were i...   Nov 2 2025, 02:24 PM
wonkipop   i have a vague recollection the originals were ...   Nov 2 2025, 05:08 PM
wonkipop   explanation? you get what you pay for. (most tim...   Nov 2 2025, 12:50 AM
mepstein   If the struts have been switched out, you need to ...   Nov 2 2025, 06:14 AM
chmillman   If the struts have been switched out, you need to...   Nov 2 2025, 10:25 AM
chmillman   If the struts have been switched out, you need to...   Nov 3 2025, 05:46 AM
wonkipop   [quote name='mepstein' post='3231015' date='Nov 2...   Nov 3 2025, 06:04 AM
mepstein   It looks like the strut uses an early pinch bolt (...   Nov 2 2025, 11:20 AM
chmillman   I could be wrong but the 914-4 rear sway bars we...   Nov 3 2025, 06:16 AM
wonkipop   I could be wrong but the 914-4 rear sway bars w...   Nov 3 2025, 06:32 AM
Superhawk996   Someone suggested I just replace the front bar, t...   Nov 3 2025, 08:39 AM
chmillman   While adding front bar stiffness will help contr...   Nov 3 2025, 11:04 AM
emerygt350   If it makes any difference, I have been enjoying a...   Nov 2 2025, 07:39 PM
carr914   @Paragon Jason can answer all your question. He ...   Nov 2 2025, 08:04 PM
mepstein   Are the arms on the strut that secure the ball joi...   Nov 3 2025, 06:04 AM
wonkipop   @chmillman part numbers for front struts. yo...   Nov 3 2025, 11:14 AM
chmillman   your struts have correct numbers for a 74 Well...   Nov 3 2025, 11:55 AM
wonkipop   @chmillman interesting. i see what you are say...   Nov 3 2025, 03:22 PM
sixnotfour   More :beer2:   Nov 3 2025, 04:59 PM
wonkipop   More :beer2: wow. excellent document. acco...   Nov 3 2025, 05:25 PM
chmillman   More :beer2: @sixnotfour - Wow, great info, th...   Nov 4 2025, 02:53 AM
wonkipop   had another good look at mine. definitely a 4. st...   Nov 3 2025, 05:07 PM
wonkipop   i'm seeing something else interesting there to...   Nov 3 2025, 05:35 PM
sixnotfour   BOGE manufacturer number ? Looks like it in thi...   Nov 3 2025, 05:36 PM
wonkipop   BOGE manufacturer number ? Looks like it in th...   Nov 3 2025, 06:07 PM
wonkipop   @chmillman AASE bros ad you posted is up the cre...   Nov 3 2025, 06:04 PM
sixnotfour   OG BOGE ,,not exactly an insert..The strut housin...   Nov 3 2025, 07:11 PM
wonkipop   @chmillman the parts page that [b]@[url=http://...   Nov 4 2025, 02:53 PM
mepstein   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Nov 4 2025, 04:58 PM
chmillman   Back in here because the “Boge” front inserts ...   Nov 7 2025, 03:02 AM
mepstein   Back in here because the “Boge” front inserts...   Nov 7 2025, 06:32 AM
Superhawk996   … supposedly OEM spec. Welcome to the afterm...   Nov 7 2025, 07:01 AM
mepstein   Back in here because the “Boge” front inserts...   Nov 7 2025, 07:30 AM
chmillman   KYB's are generally considered to be terrible...   Nov 7 2025, 07:53 AM
mepstein   In my experience, Koni’s can be adjusted much so...   Nov 7 2025, 08:18 AM
wonkipop   In my experience, Koni’s can be adjusted much s...   Nov 7 2025, 02:54 PM
Superhawk996   Seems you’re hooked into Boge as a brand. Cons...   Nov 7 2025, 08:18 AM
chmillman   Seems you’re hooked into Boge as a brand. Con...   Nov 7 2025, 09:31 AM
Superhawk996   Seems you’re hooked into Boge as a brand. Co...   Nov 7 2025, 10:51 AM
chmillman   Let’s go back to basics: You say the ride is...   Nov 7 2025, 11:50 AM
Superhawk996   Stiff(er) - compared to what it was like before...   Nov 7 2025, 12:54 PM
rjames   I went from kybs to koni adjustable shocks and str...   Nov 7 2025, 09:41 AM
DRPHIL914   ive been reading thru the comments on your thread ...   Nov 7 2025, 09:47 AM
mepstein   ive been reading thru the comments on your thread...   Nov 7 2025, 10:36 AM
DRPHIL914   ive been reading thru the comments on your threa...   Nov 10 2025, 12:57 PM
wonkipop   ps this thread topic has been fantastic. if nothi...   Nov 7 2025, 03:06 PM
mepstein   The six front end was basically a 911T suspension ...   Nov 7 2025, 03:19 PM


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