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| searunner |
Jan 4 2026, 12:23 PM
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Newbie ![]() Group: Members Posts: 32 Joined: 8-January 20 From: italy Member No.: 23,809 Region Association: None |
yesterday coming into my garage, I hear one ritming song- under the cover of my 914 2.0 1974, one strange movement, the LEFT Headlamp go UP and DOWN
The RIGHT Headlamp stays in the closed position. Normally, I detach the battery of the car when in the garage, but I forgot this time. The car was without a KEY IN - the Light switch was off - The last trip with the car ALL was regular, and the headlamp was in working condition. I can STOP the movement, detaching the battery- but this NO was the solution, Then I searched for a better solution. Extract completely the Light switch -(with the BATTERY connected and KEY ON) I have the two headlamps is up and in stable condition - also when I START the engine and move the car, and make a long trip But if I return the light switch to the POSITION light, the LEFT Headlight return to UP_DOWN movement. Is clear that I have one short- Or one Relay issue - BUT 914 was full of relays Can someone help me, to return to a normal 914 ?? I am not a native English so overlook my errors |
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| Spoke |
Jan 16 2026, 01:00 PM
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Jerry ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,343 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None
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@Superhawk996 Here is the basic schematic for the headlight motors. This is from a Haynes manual. Not sure I understand how the switches in the motor are configured. Are they switches riding on a cam or slide contacts on a PCB wheel? The headlight switch is shown in the PARKING position where both UP and DOWN contacts are open. The headlight position is 1/2 up/down and both switches are closed. Both motors are off. If in the DOWN position, the headlight switch provides power to the DOWN switch which is closed and the motor cycles until the cam/PCB wheel opens the DOWN switch. If in the UP position, the same thing happens except the motor stops in the UP position. Notice the headlight switch is not fused according to Haynes. Yikes! For the life of me I can't figure out what the diodes do. Assuming they minimize interaction between the 2 motors but I can't figure it out. For the issue for @searunner where the motor stops at UP but cycles up/down on DOWN, the switch in the motor for DOWN is not opening up. If the relay was sticking on, it would stick on for UP too. |
| Superhawk996 |
Jan 16 2026, 05:58 PM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,715 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch
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For the life of me I can't figure out what the diodes do. Assuming they minimize interaction between the 2 motors but I can't figure it out. Not sure what you mean. You have it correct. Since the headlamp motors cannot be synchronized, the diodes block current flow between the UP & Down circuits during the period when the rotary switch would otherwise allow continuity between those circuits when they are between fully up or fully down. The way the Haynes manual shows the rotary switch matches its physical layout. Picture below ( @georgekopf ) photos ![]() ![]() |
| Spoke |
Jan 17 2026, 12:11 AM
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Jerry ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,343 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None
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For the life of me I can't figure out what the diodes do. Assuming they minimize interaction between the 2 motors but I can't figure it out. Not sure what you mean. You have it correct. Since the headlamp motors cannot be synchronized, the diodes block current flow between the UP & Down circuits during the period when the rotary switch would otherwise allow continuity between those circuits when they are between fully up or fully down. OK I see what the diodes do. Question is would a dead or shorted diode cause the up/down observed? Thanks for the pictures. I didn't think there were switches in there. Back to the original up/down issue, what are the chances that there's metallic build up on the insulator for the down wiper? What else could cause the down to skip right through the stop to cycle again? |
| Superhawk996 |
Jan 17 2026, 07:59 AM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,715 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch
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What else could cause the down to skip right through the stop to cycle again? Shorts in the wiring itself. I suspect this is the more likely scenario for the OP. Two problems with my internally shorted diode scenario. 1) Diodes usually fail open. In that case, the up or down function just doesn’t work. 2) When the driver side motor goes to the down position it should open the down rotary switch which itself would keep the current from reverse flowing through to D4. So although the wonky up/down on the passenger side can occur when lights are between fully up/down, it would eventually resolve itself after a few cycles and should not continue indefinitely. For the behavior to continue indefinitely, there would have to be a dual failure of both D4 and the passenger side rotary down switch. Not impossible but not likely either. |
searunner HEDALIGHT Disperate faulty Jan 4 2026, 12:23 PM
TheCabinetmaker I've had this exact problem. Mine happened in ... Jan 4 2026, 04:17 PM
emerygt350 You mean the relays in the frunk? What a crazy is... Jan 4 2026, 07:26 PM
ejm Inside the headlight motors are switches that stop... Jan 5 2026, 10:23 AM
Maltese Falcon
Inside the headlight motors are switches that sto... Jan 5 2026, 06:03 PM
searunner Good point ! I have cleaned these (internal di... Jan 7 2026, 01:02 PM
emerygt350
Good point ! I have cleaned these (internal d... Jan 7 2026, 02:00 PM
Spoke
Good point ! I have cleaned these (internal d... Jan 17 2026, 01:41 PM
emerygt350 You can find these relays under the protective pla... Jan 5 2026, 11:36 AM
930cabman :idea: Gremlins :idea: Jan 7 2026, 02:07 PM
searunner
:idea: Gremlins :idea:
YES is a gremlin - I ha... Jan 9 2026, 12:43 PM
searunner The car photo was before the gremlins appeared
The... Jan 9 2026, 12:48 PM
Superhawk996 I’m afraid I’m really struggling with the lang... Jan 9 2026, 01:35 PM
searunner Many Thanks for the precious suggestion -
I have n... Jan 10 2026, 05:32 AM
searunner One more understandable 914 GREMLINS FRAMEWORKS Jan 11 2026, 04:16 AM
sixnotfour https://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/9...u64T... Jan 11 2026, 09:57 AM
searunner Thanks - actually, I dismantle the Passenger Headl... Jan 12 2026, 06:07 AM
searunner The DIODE APPEARS good. (I test the PASSENGER SID... Jan 15 2026, 12:35 PM
Superhawk996
The DIODE APPEARS good. (I test the PASSENGER SI... Jan 15 2026, 07:59 PM
searunner
The DIODE APPEARS good. (I test the PASSENGER S... Jan 16 2026, 05:56 AM
searunner I forgot that in this condition, the TRIPLE Connec... Jan 15 2026, 12:47 PM
Superhawk996
I forgot that in this condition, the TRIPLE Conne... Jan 15 2026, 08:03 PM
Superhawk996 How about post #20
What happens removing the rel... Jan 16 2026, 09:07 AM
emerygt350
How about post #20
What happens removing the re... Jan 16 2026, 09:53 AM
Superhawk996 Question is would a dead or shorted diode cause t... Jan 17 2026, 07:44 AM
Superhawk996 . Back to the original up/down issue, what are the... Jan 17 2026, 07:58 AM
searunner
[quote name='Spoke' post='3241147' date='Jan 17 2... Jan 17 2026, 10:54 AM
Spoke
[quote name='Spoke' post='3241147' date='Jan 17 ... Jan 17 2026, 01:04 PM
BeatNavy FWIW, I had strange headlight behavior for years. ... Jan 17 2026, 06:43 AM
Spoke Changed the wheel to look a bit more like the actu... Jan 17 2026, 10:52 AM
Superhawk996
Not sure I see a way to backfeed to the passenge... Jan 17 2026, 12:48 PM
Spoke
[quote name='Spoke' post='3241215' date='Jan 17 2... Jan 17 2026, 01:13 PM
searunner I hypothesise that if I connect the LOT of the red... Jan 17 2026, 12:11 PM
Superhawk996
I hypothesise that if I connect the LOT of the re... Jan 17 2026, 12:49 PM
Superhawk996 So from post #32 we know that removing the passeng... Jan 17 2026, 01:14 PM
Spoke
3) We need to figure out why the passenger side r... Jan 17 2026, 02:26 PM
Superhawk996 Now do the the same with the headlamp switch in th... Jan 17 2026, 01:19 PM
searunner
Now do the the same with the headlamp switch in t... Jan 21 2026, 06:00 AM
searunner After the last post, I never touched my 914.
Yest... Feb 9 2026, 05:19 AM
searunner ONE MORE DEVELOPMENT
After a lot of days of raini... Feb 19 2026, 01:21 PM![]() ![]() |
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