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> ok to do Top End?, rings/heads only?
tat2dphreak
post Jun 17 2003, 07:43 AM
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ok, as you all know by now I have a burnt valve, and I think that's it.

however, I'm catching a lot of grief from people saying I should split the case, do everything!!!

I understand that if I want this 1.7 to last another 100k miles I do need to do this... however, if I only need to fix what's wrong until next summer/spring... is it ok, to just do the top-end(rings/heads) now? I plan to completely rebuild next summer, or next winter(2004) at the latest, put 96mm pistons with a 71mm(or 78mm) crank, new cam...the works!!! at most I will put 1-3k miles on the engine between now and then. I hardly drive it in the winter... no heater b/c of headers...

so, can you do the rings and heads without cracking the case and checking main bearings, rod bearings and everything that will be replaced in a year anyway?

I just didn't want to to all of this and have to do it all again when I trick out the engine...
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post Jun 17 2003, 06:34 PM
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need4speed... aircooled.net is about the cheapest place I've found for T4 stuff... pistons and cylinder sets cost about $300(for low compression dished ones, the flat tpops are higher, if you can find them)... $500 if you go big bore cast(600 forged)

big difference... even a complete gasket kit costs $250(at Zim's)

T4 parts about about 3-4 times as expensive as T1! I even considered putting a T1 engine in my teener for a while b/c the parts are so much cheaper and you can still get tons of power... just not as reliably
if type 4 parts were as cheap as type 1, this thread wouldn't have even started! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


Bleyseng: your test confirms it... it's the valves... every cylinder tested EXACTLY the same with or without a little oil dropped in.

also, the valves seem much worse than before...
before, I tested the engine cold(I'm sure that has *some* effect... but the numbers were a lot lower as a whole...

the new numbers were:
1- 80 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
2-100 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pinch.gif)

so... the heads will be here in a day or 2... tomorrow I pull the engine... and I'll actually do the change friday...(Eagles in Concert on Thursday)

thanks tons for your help guys...
btw, does anyone that has carbs on their 914 know if the FI intake gaskets will work ok? or where you can get replacement Carb gaskets... I know they are different, but I don't know if they are different enough to matter...
but Aircooled.net seems to think so:(from the website)

"This is the THICK (1/2 cm/1/4") gasket that keeps the heat away from the intake runners on FI engines. Price per EACH.
Don't use these with dual carbs (use the thin ones). Use these for FI applications where your stock ones cracked! These should always be replaced after disassembly (they leak if you don't)"


and they don't have the %$&# thin ones!!!
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tat2dphreak   ok to do Top End?   Jun 17 2003, 07:43 AM
Bleyseng   Sure you can just do the heads and the rings. If y...   Jun 17 2003, 08:20 AM
tat2dphreak   I'm unsure about the miles... the OD says 40k....   Jun 17 2003, 09:12 AM
Lawrence914-6   Relax a bit. What is offered here is advice... bu...   Jun 17 2003, 09:33 AM
tat2dphreak   I need a chain smoking smiley... this is close eno...   Jun 17 2003, 09:49 AM
rdauenhauer   Ive been here, phreak. Sorrta, I had a hi milage 1...   Jun 17 2003, 09:59 AM
Mueller   My 1st 914 had all the records from the original o...   Jun 17 2003, 10:01 AM
tat2dphreak   plan as of now... pull off heads(motor out) check...   Jun 17 2003, 10:50 AM
Bleyseng   Check the rings as follows: Warm up engine pull al...   Jun 17 2003, 11:31 AM
tat2dphreak   I'll give the oil trick a try today... then pu...   Jun 17 2003, 01:11 PM
need4speed   Just to pass on an argument in favor of doing the ...   Jun 17 2003, 06:03 PM
tat2dphreak   need4speed... aircooled.net is about the cheapest ...   Jun 17 2003, 06:34 PM
Bleyseng   I would just fix the heads and forget doing the ri...   Jun 17 2003, 07:38 PM
tat2dphreak   Amen brother... the $300 picton/cyl. kits a...   Jun 17 2003, 08:13 PM
Jeff Bonanno   hey Bleyseng and gang, speaking for the newbies (...   Jun 18 2003, 04:05 PM
tat2dphreak   you tell 'em, bro! :clap: ok, I hate ...   Jun 18 2003, 09:39 PM
need4speed   In type 1 land. . . Getting the engine up, and o...   Jun 19 2003, 08:57 AM
Bleyseng   I would use a tow dolly to get it to your parents ...   Jun 19 2003, 09:06 AM
tat2dphreak   2x4 levers are a good idea... in the beetle we cou...   Jun 19 2003, 09:14 AM
maf914   Remove the carbs and manifolds before dropping the...   Jun 19 2003, 09:30 AM
Jeff Bonanno   tat2d - i just pulled my engine/tranny following (...   Jun 19 2003, 09:54 AM
cgnj   Hi, Engine drop. I used these directions. I liked ...   Jun 19 2003, 10:18 AM
tat2dphreak   I'll pick up the dolly this weekend I think an...   Jun 19 2003, 10:24 AM
Bleyseng   CGNJ, he did a compression check and a recheck aft...   Jun 19 2003, 10:43 AM
Jeff Bonanno   tat2d, cinderblocks are dangerous! they crus...   Jun 19 2003, 10:56 AM
Jeff Bonanno   Geoff, thanks for the reply - again, sound advice...   Jun 19 2003, 10:59 AM
tat2dphreak   I'll try to get a ton of scrap wood then... I ...   Jun 19 2003, 11:11 AM
Jeff Bonanno   tat2d, yes and no. that's enough room to get...   Jun 19 2003, 11:47 AM
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