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> ok to do Top End?, rings/heads only?
tat2dphreak
post Jun 17 2003, 07:43 AM
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ok, as you all know by now I have a burnt valve, and I think that's it.

however, I'm catching a lot of grief from people saying I should split the case, do everything!!!

I understand that if I want this 1.7 to last another 100k miles I do need to do this... however, if I only need to fix what's wrong until next summer/spring... is it ok, to just do the top-end(rings/heads) now? I plan to completely rebuild next summer, or next winter(2004) at the latest, put 96mm pistons with a 71mm(or 78mm) crank, new cam...the works!!! at most I will put 1-3k miles on the engine between now and then. I hardly drive it in the winter... no heater b/c of headers...

so, can you do the rings and heads without cracking the case and checking main bearings, rod bearings and everything that will be replaced in a year anyway?

I just didn't want to to all of this and have to do it all again when I trick out the engine...
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post Jun 18 2003, 09:39 PM
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you tell 'em, bro!

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ok, I hate to be a wimp... but I worked on getting the engine out... and because of a combination of not having the right equipment and being nervous about trying to put it back in here... I backed out... just until I get down to my parents(via tow)

don't shoot me!!!!!

1st: I live in an apt. with no garage(moving end of next month to a condo with a garage) and they get pissy about that stuff if you can't get it back in 1-2 days.. and as it is, it has to be off through the weekend...

2: my jack doesn't go up high enough I think... the instructions say it needs to go up about 20"... mine was up all the way at about 10" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

3: I am afraid that once I got it out... I wouldn't be able to get it back in and there I'd be with a 400 lb. motor that I have to lift into a pickup truck!

I think a lot of it is I'm nervous because it's my first(haven't said that in a long time!!!) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool_shades.gif) engine drop and I'm not sure of what I'm doing...

I got the exhaust off thinking that might give me more space to work with, and it did, but not enough really... I think I need a bigger jack with a wider contact area and higher lift and a level place to pull the engine (my spaces are sloped)

a couple questions though...
1) does the shroud need to be removed before pulling the engine?
2) we also kicked around the idea of loosening the engine, but not the tranny and lowering the engine just enough to pull and replace the heads... will this work ok? the tranny mounts seemed a bit thin to brace that much weight
3) once you drop the engine, do you just pick up the car and move it forward? we did this with a beetle...
4) is it easier to drop the engine and tranny together or leave the tranny in?
5) am I making a big deal out of nothing? is it "nothing" to drop the engine and put it back in? the getting it back in is what bothers me mopre than dropping it... we were about to drop it today... we had the fuel lines pulled and clamped, throttle and starter un hooked about all we had left was the clutch cable and shift linkage... and then we thought "how will we get it back in though?"

I know these are dumb questions... but I don't want to really screw something up... if I screw it up, I don't want it to be just because I didn't ask people who know...
I'm sure you all get tired of newbie questions... but the info out there isn't geared towards newbies so we have to ask.... and sometimes we have to f*c& it up and call it a learning experience...

today was a learning experience.... I learned don't buy a tire jack when you need a full lift installed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) and I learned I need a house (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) and if you don't feel comfortable doing it...don't!

so, my new, modified plan is tow it to my parents, where my dad has an "A" frame with a wench, 2 tall jacks and the ability to leave the engine out of the car a weekend or more...

or... am I just a fool and need to just drop it and do it and get it over with and worry about putting it in when the time comes?

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tat2dphreak   ok to do Top End?   Jun 17 2003, 07:43 AM
Bleyseng   Sure you can just do the heads and the rings. If y...   Jun 17 2003, 08:20 AM
tat2dphreak   I'm unsure about the miles... the OD says 40k....   Jun 17 2003, 09:12 AM
Lawrence914-6   Relax a bit. What is offered here is advice... bu...   Jun 17 2003, 09:33 AM
tat2dphreak   I need a chain smoking smiley... this is close eno...   Jun 17 2003, 09:49 AM
rdauenhauer   Ive been here, phreak. Sorrta, I had a hi milage 1...   Jun 17 2003, 09:59 AM
Mueller   My 1st 914 had all the records from the original o...   Jun 17 2003, 10:01 AM
tat2dphreak   plan as of now... pull off heads(motor out) check...   Jun 17 2003, 10:50 AM
Bleyseng   Check the rings as follows: Warm up engine pull al...   Jun 17 2003, 11:31 AM
tat2dphreak   I'll give the oil trick a try today... then pu...   Jun 17 2003, 01:11 PM
need4speed   Just to pass on an argument in favor of doing the ...   Jun 17 2003, 06:03 PM
tat2dphreak   need4speed... aircooled.net is about the cheapest ...   Jun 17 2003, 06:34 PM
Bleyseng   I would just fix the heads and forget doing the ri...   Jun 17 2003, 07:38 PM
tat2dphreak   Amen brother... the $300 picton/cyl. kits a...   Jun 17 2003, 08:13 PM
Jeff Bonanno   hey Bleyseng and gang, speaking for the newbies (...   Jun 18 2003, 04:05 PM
tat2dphreak   you tell 'em, bro! :clap: ok, I hate ...   Jun 18 2003, 09:39 PM
need4speed   In type 1 land. . . Getting the engine up, and o...   Jun 19 2003, 08:57 AM
Bleyseng   I would use a tow dolly to get it to your parents ...   Jun 19 2003, 09:06 AM
tat2dphreak   2x4 levers are a good idea... in the beetle we cou...   Jun 19 2003, 09:14 AM
maf914   Remove the carbs and manifolds before dropping the...   Jun 19 2003, 09:30 AM
Jeff Bonanno   tat2d - i just pulled my engine/tranny following (...   Jun 19 2003, 09:54 AM
cgnj   Hi, Engine drop. I used these directions. I liked ...   Jun 19 2003, 10:18 AM
tat2dphreak   I'll pick up the dolly this weekend I think an...   Jun 19 2003, 10:24 AM
Bleyseng   CGNJ, he did a compression check and a recheck aft...   Jun 19 2003, 10:43 AM
Jeff Bonanno   tat2d, cinderblocks are dangerous! they crus...   Jun 19 2003, 10:56 AM
Jeff Bonanno   Geoff, thanks for the reply - again, sound advice...   Jun 19 2003, 10:59 AM
tat2dphreak   I'll try to get a ton of scrap wood then... I ...   Jun 19 2003, 11:11 AM
Jeff Bonanno   tat2d, yes and no. that's enough room to get...   Jun 19 2003, 11:47 AM
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